HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4591 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3648 times:
Again... this route has been on and off quite a couple of times now. Why don't they just return it to the JFK-PHX-SAN format they used to have for quite a while? That scenario seemed to work. It all started to go wrong when they let their B763ER Int'l loose on the route.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3528 times:
Both AA and B6 also fly JFK-SAN. So far, fingers crossed, JFK-DEN looks like it's staying (only B6 is the competition here) and twice daily JFK-SEA still remains on the sked. LAX is doing fine with loads (although the yields are atrocious)..don't know about LAS or SFO. SDQ is the usual story with anyone who enters the NY-SDQ market - never enough seats during the peak holiday times - summer and Dec/Jan. They've upgraded the equipment on one of the flights from a 757 to a domestic 767-300 (252 seats).
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3464 times:
For some reason, San Diego seems to be a jinx when it comes to certain routes - no service switches to a flooded market, which then changes back to none.
As an example, SAN-YVR. We had Alaska try that route for a while, then they stopped (I believe after 9/11). HP Express announces they will start service with a CRJ-900, and now here comes Alaska back again. Too much capacity? And what happens if they both find it unprofitable? Do we lose it again completely?
However, New York is a different matter - CO is always going to have flights to its hub at EWR, and I don't think B6 is going anywhere soon. American seems to be doing well with its one daily 767, but two of those three are hub flights, and American's has been around for a while. Delta has never effectively used JFK, so I really can't imagine what their line of thinking was.
As for being a jinx, I'm actually glad to see Delta pull out of SAN-JFK. Three airlines is enough, and Delta should being using their planes ONLY where they can make money from it.
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Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3351 times:
The current SAN-NYC weekday schedule is:
AA 2x daily 757 (going 3x daily in spring)
B6 2x daily 320 (going 3x daily in spring)
CO 3x daily 738
DL 2x daily 738
Summer 2004 must have been killer for yields on SAN-NYC. Eleven daily flights was something like a 90% increase over the year before. I'm glad Delta's pulling out--their flights aimed for O&D traffic that was already taken up by jetBlue and American. Perhaps if they had timed the service to connect with their JFK hub, they could have made a go of it.
Delta pulling out of SAN-JFK will hopefully mean better fortunes for AA, B6, and CO. Unfortunately I don't expect AA to put a 767 on SAN-JFK ever again, which is a pity as I often used this very comfortable connection to New York and Europe. Recently, I've been connecting in LAX more and more, simply because service and equipment options are better, and I think the Saab flight up there is kinda fun.
I actually have very high hopes for SAN-YVR. Right now, I'm not sure that both American West and Alaska can survive on the route, but when one of them folds (in my opinion, America West will first), the other will enjoy a decent niche market. Remember, San Diego also didn't have service to Hawaii for 3-4 years, but since 2001 we've seen both SAN-HNL and SAN-OGG surpass all expectations.
YVR2SAN From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3292 times:
I never took the DL non-stop to JFK but back when they had the SAN/PHX/JFK I used to non-rev on DL to PHX as HP was always full. That 767 to PHX rarely had more then 60 people with almost all getting off in PHX.
As for YVR-SAN hopfully HP will succeed, with the new service to SAN I can bypass PHX and make my LAS connections in SAN instead and visit with old co-workers for a bit.
Jetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3218 times:
JetBlue's CEO, David Neeleman, has commented on DL's "unneeded frequency in the transcon market." I'm pretty sure JFK-SAN-JFK topped the list, with the additional JFK-LAS-JFK, JFK-LAX-JFK, and JFK-SFO-JFK also on his list.
Another example of survival of the fittest. I heard that ever since JetBlue went down to 2x for the winter, the flights have been selling VERY well compared to last year.