Macc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 972 posts, RR: 3 Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6070 times:
presently on www.orf.at (austrian official tv website):
china is about to sign an agreement for 23 airbus jets (19 A319 + 4 A330).
fot a total value of 1 billion euro. until 2006 air china wants to add a total of 41 new planes to its fleet.
also the A380 will be discussed.
in the end, its all about politics...
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N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5574 times:
N754PR:
Que? Rest assured, the U.S. has no interest in seeing the arms embargo to China lifted. And I guarantee you that items with U.S. content will not be sold there. Which pretty much eliminates any U.K. product, and much of the product from other nations.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Knoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 200 posts, RR: 21 Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5508 times:
the U.S. has no interest in seeing the arms embargo to China lifted
Exactely the same non-interest when relation with Lybia were re-opened and that they suddenly bought BCA products.....
And when refering to "items", please make sure you are talking about weapons, because they are a few products with US built components over there, just a few....
Anyway, if they can send man into space, what's the point of preventing them acquiring technology they will anyway have sooner or later?
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N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5504 times:
Solnabo:
No, it's not. China is regarded as a security issue. Apparently, you are overly cynical or conspiracy-minded. But you also haven't been paying attention to policy news. Did you know that there is a law prohibiting launch of U.S.-manufactured satellites (which, as a proportion, dominate those being sold) on Long March boosters? And there are no plans for it to be repealed.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5490 times:
Knoxibus:
Yes, I am, of course, referring to armaments. Sure, there are now being U.S. airliners being pitched to Libya. However, we are not selling them F-22s and the like.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6879 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5275 times:
It's very simple fellas. The EU sees the future going through China. The latest US administration "going at it alone" policy only helped reenforce Europe's position. China is the next superpower and European nations are vying to establish good relations with them. It won't be long until you see Germany as a full blown member of the UN security council.
B2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 681 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5205 times:
It gets interesting when an typical Air China thread turns into a political debate. Political deals are made with large economic ones all the time, with or without China.
Don't Chirac and Schroeder go to OTHER countries?
Maybe if Tony Blair visited China, China would buy its beef products...but again unless Tony was "desperate" enough.
And don't think Boeing, GM and other big American Co's don't lobby Washington to sell stuff to China.
CA needs airplanes that could benefit French/Germen manufacturing jobs in a great deal, which in return will be supporting their governing parties to get elected or re-elected. These are big boy's games and no innocence on either side.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5170 times:
Airbazar:
They already are a full-blown member of the Security Council. If you mean, having veto power at the U.N. in general, I doubt it.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Luisde8cd From Venezuela, joined Aug 2004, 2516 posts, RR: 34 Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5129 times:
They already are a full-blown member of the Security Council.
Whats ur definition of "full-blown member"? Germany currently as of Dec 2004 holds a ROTATING seat in the Security Council, just as Chile, Algeria or Benin per say. Im not familiar with the date when Germany began its term in the Sec. Council but it will expire 2 years after it started.
There are only 5 full blown members in the Security Council, also called the P-5 (permanent five) which are US, Russia, UK, China and France.
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Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5129 times:
N328KF, no, Germany's not a full-blown member of the Security Council - they are a member of the UN, and they're currently on rotating membership in the security council: but Germany has maintained that it would like to have a permanent seat, which would include the same veto-power that the other members have.
Although, I really have to ask this question: Airbazar, what does this particular point have to do with the fact that Air China ordered Airbus planes?
Anyhow - I hope we'll be hearing something about the respective A380 and B7e7 purchases from China soon...
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5030 times:
See, I see a distinction between being:
1) On the UNSC in an observer role (even Switzerland has held this, I think.)
2) On the UNSC as a member (a la Germany, Chile, etc.)
3) On the UNSC as a member with a U.N. Permanent Seat (the big 5)
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4973 times:
N328KF, the different levels of UN Membership are:
1) Observer status in the General Assembly
2) Full Member in the General Assembly
3) Permanent Member of the Security Council
Out of the General Assembly, 10 member states are selected as members of the Security Council on a rotating basis - the current makeup of the council can be found here:
ACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 709 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4708 times:
FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4645 times:
Has someone info regarding this order.Is it 319s and 320s , or 319s and 330s ? Air China has signed recently a letter of intent for more than 10 330s.
Is it the confirmation of this MOU ?
FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4035 times:
After some searches , it seems to be 319s and 330s , making three Chinese airlines having ordered this beauty.CZ , MU and now CA..........when Hainan Al will follow ???????
Iadbgo From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 206 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3784 times:
Rest assured the United States is not going to sell any military weapons to China. We are barely willing to sell anything to Taiwan right now...let alone China. As for why we don't sell rockets etc to a nation that can put a man in space? ... because our rockets are better...it really is that simple. Rockets are dual use systems...means you can stick a nuke on it...ours are more reliable and more accurate...so it is silly to think that we would actually sell those products to China...or let anyone else sell them
B2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 681 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3606 times:
Trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3970 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3240 times:
>We are barely willing to sell anything to Taiwan right now..
not even the 10 billion in diesel subs , 3 billion in Patriot Pac3 missiles, 1.5 billion in P3 orions the US are trying desperately to get their legislature to approve, not to mention the over 1 billion in link 16/jtids etc and the 3/4 billion in early warning missile radars. Oh, did I forget the billion $ a piece Aegis destroyers Trent Lott wants to sell them? And Boeing are still hoping like heck to sell them a billion and half in Apache choppers and keep the line open. But they shot themselves in the foot last year when they insulted their Vice President by kowtowing to Beijing and not letting her visit Boeing even after the visit was arranged, so Bell will probably get that one especially since AIDC is already making the tails for the Marine AH1Z/1Y and AIDC and Bell go back to the 60s. Don't expect the Taiwanese presidential ofice to be calling the CI board and putting pressure on them to split their orders with Boeing like the last 2 times either when they went for A340s and A330s when Boeing got almost 20 744s out of it!
And the EU arms embargo only applies to "weapons", not eg radars which is why the British got away with selling the PLAN the only half decent AEW radar system they have in service right now!
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