KrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1575 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5824 times:
On Air Canada's Horizons website, an A345 (Fin 952) is shown in new colours. As far as I know only 1 A343's (C-FYLU) has been repainted. I know that in AC's new TV advertisement an A343 in new colours was shown way before C-FYUL was repainted. Is this A345 a computer generated image? It kind of looks odd, a little too stubby for an A345. Why is AC doing this?
GodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2751 posts, RR: 18 Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5714 times:
To me it does look as if the A345 has been added to the scenery, and the plane itself doesn't look natural enough to be real. But I'm no expert, but the edges just look suspicious.
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5710 times:
Solnabo:
We're positively thrilled for you.
On a separate note, where does AC intend to take the A345 that they need that much range/MTOW?
[Edited 2004-12-06 19:29:24]
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KrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1575 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5652 times:
N328KF
On a separate note, where does AC intend to take the A345 that they need that much range/MTOW?
AC flies the A345 on YYZ-HGK and YYZ-DEL. The YYZ-Delhi is only served by the A345 twice a week, the rest of the time it is flown by an A343 with weight restrictions.
Propilotjw From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 585 posts, RR: 7 Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5365 times:
The A340-500 is Air Canada's FLAGSHIP now and they want the public to see the new colors on the new flagship.
There is another Air Canada A340-300 in the paintshop right now as well.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15989 posts, RR: 59 Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5333 times:
Given that aircraft are usually only painted when they are getting a C or D check, it might be some time b4 we see a 345 in the new scheme.
It would be the height of inefficiency and mgmt stupidity for AC to pull a new 345 from service just to repaint it. The monthly lease payments on the 345's are huge. Revenue needs to be earned every day on these puppies.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Ac7e7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 639 posts, RR: 24 Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5267 times:
It would be the height of inefficiency and mgmt stupidity for AC to pull a new 345 from service just to repaint it. The monthly lease payments on the 345's are huge. Revenue needs to be earned every day on these puppies.
Here we go again...... LOL!
But I do agree with you.
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AC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 784 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5058 times:
Exactly....here we go again.
Well, Neil, I guess mgmt is'nt stupid and inefficient since they never did take a A345 out of service, so enough with the continual cheap shots ok.
And yes, to answer the question, it is a computer generated picture, albeit a very good one.
The next A340's to be painted into the new colors are FIN's 902 and 905 this month. It looks like the first narrow body's will be A320's from Tango starting in Feb 05.
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Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5001 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW PHOTO SCREENER
well the Reg is C-GKOM, our database doesn't show any pictures of this plane since October, but then again GKOL hasnt been shot since then, either. The picture seems real enough, but what do I know
AC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 784 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4984 times:
It would be extremely foolish to pull the A345's for painting, I agree, and there is nothing even showing of them going for painting in the next year. But you had to take a jab at mgmt. Can you simply reply to a thread about AC without taking a dig at them or Milton?
I'm not bashing you, but it's like you have to meet your quota on here by saying something about Milton or mgmt.
Just my observations.
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EnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 820 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4923 times:
And yes, to answer the question, it is a computer generated picture, albeit a very good one.
I didn't think so. Looks like easy photoshop work to me. Real photo of mountains, real photo of plane, apply greenish tinge, apply logos. The sharpness of the airplane photo (note front cargo door) as compared to the Air Canada logo, and the fact the perspective on the tail is messed up give it away. This photo would not take long to produce if an all white photo (or almost all white) of the aircraft was available.
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4901 times:
I don't really understand why you'r having a go at Yyz717. He didn't say anything about Milton nor criticise management. As already explained, he suggested that it would be foolish for management to do anything like pull the aircraft just for aesthetic purposes. I don't see any bashing going on there.
Perhaps you guys are a touch sensitive?
Anyway, the picture is pretty good, even if it is photoshopped. Some airlines really muck them up sometimes and they just look embarrassing. (Please note that this is not an attack on the marketing departments of all airlines). And I have to say, that livery is starting to grow on me, though it's a pity they didn't do more with the fuselage.
AC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 639 posts, RR: 24 Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4883 times:
I don't really understand why you'r having a go at Yyz717. He didn't say anything about Milton nor criticise management. As already explained, he suggested that it would be foolish for management to do anything like pull the aircraft just for aesthetic purposes. I don't see any bashing going on there.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15989 posts, RR: 59 Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4691 times:
I CAN however see the benefit of having the flagship aircraft painted in the new scheme. It would be a marketing coup to have a 345 in the new scheme, however disruptive to operations.
I don't really understand why you'r having a go at Yyz717. He didn't say anything about Milton nor criticise management. As already explained, he suggested that it would be foolish for management to do anything like pull the aircraft just for aesthetic purposes. I don't see any bashing going on there.
Thanks Aerokiwi. We have some very sensitive AC apologists on anet. Many of them are AC employees, all of which are ultra-sensitive about AC criticism -- they are simply not used to it.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
AC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 639 posts, RR: 24 Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4668 times:
I CAN however see the benefit of having the flagship aircraft painted in the new scheme. It would be a marketing coup to have a 345 in the new scheme, however disruptive to operations.
Considering that most people that get on an aircraft have no idea what type they are actually on, I would have to conclude that it would not make any sense for AC to take out an A345 out of service to paint it.
And considering how AC_B777 has already mentioned that they will not be painted anytime soon, it should end this debate.
Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.
Yukimizake From Japan, joined Mar 2004, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4393 times:
"Many of them are AC employees, all of which are ultra-sensitive about AC criticism -- they are simply not used to it."
They may not like it but they are definitely used to it. Bashing AC seems to be a life long passion for some people here at A.net. Of course some of the criticism is warranted but a lot of it also comes across as petty and spiteful. Same with Robert Milton, the fact that Deutsche Bank was willing to invest $850 Million and keep Milton says a lot.
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DavidYYC From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4340 times:
AC7E7 does seem to be rather sensitive with the 'here we go again' remark, i think that YYZ717 was merely making a factual statement, and no criticism was implied.
Nevertheless I agree the image does look fake, I just wish AC had been a little more bold and outgoing with the new livery (that has already been discussed here), and yes this IS a criticism!
AC_B777 From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 784 posts, RR: 14 Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3589 times:
My point is, that Neil, Yyz717, can not reply to a simple thread about the new colors on a new a/c without bringing up mgmt. That's it. The thread had nothing to do with mgmt but he still brought it up. In most threads about AC, Neil has something to say about them and Milton, no matter if the thread has anything to do with them or not, like this one. I know he never said Milton, but, he did say, It would be the height of inefficiency and mgmt stupidity for AC to pull a new 345 from service just to repaint it which in my opinion didn't apply to the thread in any way.
Neil, I am not an "AC apologist", nor am I "ultra-sensitive", and I am definitely used to it, I am just sick of it. Like mentioned by so many people in so many other threads, AC bashing is a national pastime and something that people get off on, and it's time for it to stop. I never accused you of bashing AC in this thread so don't bash me. Just give a rest now and then.
Anyways, I hope everyone has an awesome day. See you all later.
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26 Yyz717: My point is, that Neil, Yyz717, can not reply to a simple thread about the new colors on a new a/c without bringing up mgmt. That's it. The thread had
27 FLYACYYZ: Given the fact that there are onlz 2 A345´s in service operating continually between HKG/DEL..taking them out of service for a paint job to satisfy t
28 Yyz717: taking them out of service for a paint job to satisfy the fan club would effectively obliterate the HKG nonstop. Considering they are the newest aircr
29 Yyz717: Interesting however that his comments are conspicuously absent on the thread discussing his beloved Westjet and their 58% reported load factor. Why do
30 Bill142: very clearly a photoshop job Agreed and a very amateur one at that. About my skill level, which is pretty low when it comes to photoshop. The image of
31 Olympus69: Is there even an A345 painted in these new colours? As has been mentioned in several previous posts in this thread - the answer is NO.
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