AirWales From UK - Wales, joined Oct 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7764 times:
Just wondering what the main reason why airlines (non US) such as BA and VS operate of of both EWR and JFK to Heathrow for example. Is it necessary for 1 airline to operate out of 2 airports in the same city which then arrive in the same city? Is it due to landing/departure slots or some other reason.
P.s. whilst we are on this, which airlines operate along these lines (Only airlines which are not from the country in which the airport in question lies).
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16545 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7694 times:
The NYC tri-State are (New York, New Jersey, Connecticut) is huge and sprawled out, and driving from New Jersey to JFK and vice versa can anywhere from 90 minutes to three hours in bad weather.
JFK caters to folks on the East Side of Manhattan, as well as the boroughs of Queens, Brooklyn and the suburbs of Long Island.
EWR caters to Northern New Jersey, the West Side of Manhattan, Northern Suburbs of Rockland and Orange Counties NY, Staten Island and Eastern Pennsylvania.
JFK and EWR split traffic from Westchester and Fairfield County Connecticut.
Northern New Jersey (EWR) is a market upon itself with 8 million inhabitants and major Corporate Headquarters including BASF, Honeywell, Merck, Bristol Meyers Squib, At&t, Lucent, Johnson & Johnson etc..
Also many other pharmeceutical and Bio-med companies have facilities along the Princeton University/Route 1 research corridor.
That business will not go to JFK, too long of a drive.
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7680 times:
For the same reason why BA operates out of both LGW and LHR to places.... there is demand, and the airports are far enough apart that it is definitely more convenient to go to/from one particular airport over another depending on where you're going to or coming from.
Mark777300 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7569 times:
while NYC itself lies between JFK and EWR, there is a huge market in this region and both airports are in truth serving different regions of the tri-state area. for example, I live by the border of Queens county and Nassau county, only a 5 minute drive to JFK, a 10 minute drive to LGA. EWR however is an almost 60 minute drive. People who live in Queens, Brooklyn and Long Island would be better served by flying into JFK or LGA (ISP as well). People who live in NW and central NJ would be closer and better served by EWR. There is an equally huge population on both sides of the Hudson River that can support the services of an airline flying into both JFK and EWR and even additionally LGA. For folks in Manhattan, you have three options to choose from which are all convienient. AA, UA, DL, and NW all fly into all three airports. CO hub is in EWR, a sizeable presence in LGA, but only a hand full of flights to JFK. US Airways flies into LGA and EWR. This is probably the biggest market served in the US when you factor in the population of NY/LI, Connecticut, and Northern/ central NJ.
COEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1061 posts, RR: 20 Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7460 times:
Here's a quick example. My parents refuse to have me fly into either JFK LGA> as I live about 15 min from EWR. This Thanksgiving my HP flight from EWR to LAS was delayed and the only chance that I had to make my connection was from JFK. Now I didn't think my parents would have a problem driving me out there, but instead they took me to EWR and put me on the shuttle. The shuttle ride from EWR took almost two hours and if your paying tolls its close to $20. JFK is and will always be the last resort for them. They will pretty much do anything not to use JFK. Most people I know in my area are pretty much the same in that regard.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2019 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7449 times:
TWFirst, its another bad example I'm afraid, as AA is forced by Bermuda II to serve both LGW and LHR. It cannot operate its RDU and DFW flights to LHR as neither are a US gateway from there for a US carrier. It's why UA doesn't operate a London service from Denver as it can't serve LHR, so would have to serve LGW (Which if it did would force BA to switch its DEN service back to LGW).
AA did I believe operate a BOS-LGW flight a couple of years back, for at least one summer season. I assume it was to add capacity to London but it didn't have an LHR slot.
VS did operate from LHR and LGW to EWR but since 9/11 it only serves EWR from LHR, relying on its codeshare with CO to serve LGW from the New York area.
BA serves IAH from LHR and LGW, but the former routes via ORD (Again can't be nonstop under Bermuda II) and is mainly to provide connections to BA's flights to LOS and the Middle East for oil executives.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16545 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7383 times:
You cannot compare EWR and JFK with LHR and LGW as LHR is severely restricted and limited where as anyone can fly to either EWR, JFK or both.
EWR and JFK are unique in the World as being two major International Airports serving the same region as close as they are (mileage wise) , EWR and JFK are exactly the same distance from Mid-Town Manhattan (15 Miles).