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CO: Moscow Launched Delayed One Year  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Continental Airlines today notified DOT that they plan on delaying the launch of Newark-Moscow (Domodedovo) service by one year, the March 2006:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=307255&docketid=19375


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User currently offlineCb777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

I guess not enough widebodies to go around.

User currently onlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3005 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

That's not cool at all. I was actually planning on flying them to Moscow on my annual summer trip next year. I guess not...It's too bad though.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Third time we've announced the route; the third delay/cancellation.

Well, at least we have a perfect batting average on that market!  Big grin


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

I see a wonderful potential for Continental in this market.
They've got my dollar! One connection, no overnight in JFK!!!
Aeroflot usually goes out packed--and can pull some very respectable yields in the summer--and there is still a sort of brand distrust towards Su.. DL also goes out of JFK, but the general opinion is CO has better trans-atlantic service.. There is also a decent Russian population in New Joyzey, so I definitely see good potential for Continental in this market... Even tho Domedodedovo is not the most popular apt in Moscow right now due to the fact that the bombed Russian jets took off from DME, and even tho there is much less traffic than SVO, it is still further from Central Moscow.
-Mr. X



What now?
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

"Even tho Domedodedovo is not the most popular apt in Moscow right now"

Based on what? BA, Swiss, and all the other carriers who have moved from SVO would lead me to believe that it is much more popular than SVO. I've read articles about how much money the private owners have put into facilities, while the corrupt gov't entity at SVO tries to figure out what to do.


User currently offlineAeroAussie From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

I am going to have to agree with TOLtommy here. Continental's choice of DME over SVO reflects the fact that DME is in fact the MORE popular airport in Moscow right now. Loads of money have been invested in DME, hence it has transformed itself into a modern airport, with modern functional facilities, and it has become the airport of choice in Moscow, such that airlines such as BA, LX and EK have all moved their operations there. Indeed, DME takes the cake in Moscow - SVO has got a lot of work to do.

Nick


User currently offlineCx750 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Continental's delay might be a result of SkyTeam cooperation - not to add too much capacity between the NYC-Moscow market. They are probably waiting for demand/fare levels to increase to a level at which all flights can be supported without hurting the other partner airlines.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

without hurting the other partner airlines.

You actually believe they would put that much thought/care into that?!

...just curious.


User currently offlineCx750 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Its a downside of joining a large partnership - United for example will negotiate with OS before starting a route to VIE. You can see many examples where partners will split routes.

For example:
NH pulls out of ORD to let UA be the only Star carrier, while UA will let NH remain the only Star carrier between IAD-NRT. Just my opinion....


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Personally, I think CO is just waiting until they free up a widebody or get the 757 with winglets into service. Since HAM and TXL have both been announced as 767 routes, I can see one of them (probably HAM) swaping to a 752W and DME getting the 762 from that route.


Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Dow Jones newswires picked up the report, as well:
http://online.wsj.com/article/1,,SB110244354449193380,00.html?mod=INDUSTRY


User currently offlineCx750 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

I believe CO is slated to use B752 for both HAM and TXL.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5364 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

My guess: CO decided that the government was unlikely to act soon because of the situation in Ukraine and that a decision any closer to the proposed start date would not give CO enough time to build up reservations and marketing. Thus, it's smart of them to take themselves off the "dormancy" hook that they were trapped by in the EZE case, when they delayed and then lost the EWR-EZE route because of the economic collapse in Argentina.

CO is still telling the government they will be prepared to start the route in a prudent manner whenever it may be awarded.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineAeroflot-777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

By the way,in terms of traffic this year DME is treading on SVO's toes because
both are going to carry over 12 mln.pax.(with only a slight difference in favour of SVO).I am assured that DME is more popular than SVO since so many airlines move operations to DME.Next year DME will most probably become the busiest airport in Russia,CIS and Eastern Europe.


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Any American carriers flying to DME right now?



User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1064 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

The only American carrier right now that is flying scheduled service to Russia is DL and they fly to SVO, so to answer your question, that would be no.

User currently offlineAeroflot-777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

DME is now the world's fastest growing airport.In 2001 annual traffic was at 3.4 mln.pax.In 2002 it went up to 6.7 mln.pax.In 2003 DME had 9.4 mln.pax.
and this year it will most probably be over 12 mln.pax.
Find out more about this cool airport at www.domodedovo.ru/index_en.asp


User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Now it looks like LY has moved to DME as well.

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