Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4141 posts, RR: 6 Posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 25563 times:
First of all, I am quite aware that the TSA is doing a very important job and I respect the fact that terrorists will use all means necessary to damage commercial travel in the USA- it is the TSA's job to make sure this doesn't happen and that dangerous items are not brought on board aircraft.
I do want to say, however, that I am very displeased with the inconsistency of the TSA. It seems that you can go to different airports, different terminals, and sometimes different screeners and get a varied assortment of what is acceptable and what is not. I thought the TSA was supposed to bring consistency back to security but in my experiences this is absolutely not the case.
I have a recent example: this weekend I went through security in JFK, TLH (Tallahassee) and TPA (Tampa) carrying a backpack containing my personal effects. I had checked another bag at JFK and TPA also. At JFK, very routine. I didn't even have to take off my shoes. At TLH, I was a "selectee" so I got the full treatment. No big deal but it is annoying to be the selectee and wait while the TSA goes through everything. It took two TSA guys 15 minutes to go through my two bags (I didn't check the other one) and they were quite thorough.
The worst was yet to come, when I was at TPA and attempting to pass security with the same backpack as before. The problem appeared to be with my Maglite flashlight - the TSA officer at TPA deemed it "against regulations". This is a large, approximately 18" metal flashlight with 4D batteries in it. No hidden or concealed weapons, no switchblades, it is just a freaking flashlight (that works very well, I might add). The security guy added that I had three choices: (1) to check it as luggage, (2) to mail it to myself or (3) 'voluntarily relinquish' it, i.e. give it to him.
(1) How do you check a flashlight? I had already checked my other bag and its not like I can get that bag back to add a flashlight. (2) I'm not going to freaking mail it to myself, that's ridiculous. (3) This is not a pair of tweezers, this is a $25 flashlight. I ended up checking my backpack save for a few personal or fragile items inside. I then joined the throngs of Southwest, JetBlue and AirTran passengers whose carry-on baggage is a plastic bag.
Luckily I was not in a rush for this particular flight otherwise I might have been even more exasperated with the TSA. I think what bothers me the most is the complete and utter nonsense of not allowing a flashlight (where is that against the rules?) as well as the inconsistency from one airport to another. While it is vitally important to be safe, it has to be done in such a manner that makes sense and is applied evenly. I saw no rhyme or reason to why my flashlight would be OK at two airports and not OK at the third.
Sking11 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 25317 times:
The rules are deciphered differently by each TSA person. As a prior ex screener for a private company right after 9/11 the rules stated that any "club" type object would not allowed in the cabin of an A/C. This includes "baseball bats". The size of the item, the 18" flashlight puts it in that category. Each person interprets that rule differently of course. Unfortunately, you got the opinion of it being a weapon. While another person may view it as a harmless flashlight.
Now here's my experience I saw but didn't happen to me but irritated me anyways. In Denver, there was a family in front of me in line at the security check-in. The elderly mother was asking her adult daughter if she needed to take her shoes off. Remember, the TSA about a year ago or so changed the rule about requiring to remove shoes to optional. To help save time, and if they do beep then to get secondary screened. The daughter replied "since you have a hard time walking don't take your shoes off." The TSA person standing by the metal detector heard this and when the mother walked through and didn't signal anything he made her to get wanded. That just irks me off with their egotistical nature.
Philhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 675 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 25249 times:
We travel frequently between IAH->MSP->RHI. RHI is a regional airport, but nevertheless has xray equipment. Last year (I don't remember when) we travelled this route and one of our carry-on items was a small camera bag with a pouch in the front. This camera bag is ususally stored in another larger carry-on bag when we travel.
On the trip home, we got held up in the security screening because they saw something suspicious. They must have run the bag through a dozen times before they decided to search it. As it turns out, my wife (who works with animal rescue and makes frequent trips to shelters with the camera) had left a pair of 4" nail scissors in the front pouch:
We were surprised that they were there, but really kind of shocked that nobody on the trip up there found them. What was even more strange was that the let us take them on the plane. I guess because they were not pointed, however that kind of nail clipper is very powerful and could easily cut through a fairly substantial cable/wire.
BIGBlack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 25137 times:
I recently flew from of all places BOS (my home airport) to PHL and got through security fine. On the way back, I was told they need to open my bag. Inside my grooming bag was a small pair of scissors. They were taken from me and I was told to travel with rounded point scissors. The scissors were very small but after some diliberation they were taken because they had pointed tips. Yet I made it through BOS with no problem at all.
This has happened a few times. I guess it is give and take. It will never be a perfect science.
Moman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 25039 times:
Stop complaining about the TSA. FLYING IS NOT A GOD-GIVEN RIGHT. If it was, we would each have wings. If you have a problem with the TSA checking you, then don't fly.
People say they are "humiliated" to get patted down; if they lived through an aviation bombing, they would complain the TSA didn't do enough checking.
The mission of the TSA is to get passengers from point A to B safely (without terrorism). If it requires for them to strip search me everytime, I'll do it if it guarantees I'm not going to die because of some assholes' religious beliefs.
I am a white male and all of my experiences with the TSA have been professional and acceptable.
Flairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24985 times:
Your right, flying is NOT a God given right... However, when someone pays $80 or $100 or $200 or $1000 for a ticket, they deserve to be treated like a person.
I do agree with a lot of the TSA security measures...if they were practiced right, we'd have a safe system. But, as humans, we all proform the same job differently. For example, one rule can be interpreted completely differently in PHL than LAX...If everythnig was done by the book, or AT LEAST equally, we'd be much safer.
One rule I don't agree with is the random security screening...(which is also interpreted differently in different places...for example, at FLL 9/11/03 I was selected, nothing happpened! Also, many airports have this screening in a seperate area, where it is private and you don't feel embarassed.)
Let me tell you a story...Oct 3, 2004 LGA: (I find that LGA is VERY strict security wise!)...my family and I walk into the airport around 1:00pm for our 2:45 jetBlue flight to FLL. We are helped and when we leave, the guy asks us..."Do you have a TSA lock? If not, you might want to unlock it in case it is searched!" and sticks a red tag on the bag. We procede to security and walk through...I had not read my ticket yet...i walk through...phew, alarm doesn't go off! A lady comes up to me...you have been randomly selected"...and screams..."MALE SELECTEE!" so everyone can hear it...my dad gets picked out (and he is pissed)..."MALE SELECTEE"...my mom (who thinks it's good for out country)..."FEMALE SELECTEE!" This poor mother with a baby (not a part of my family)..."FEMALE SELECTEE!"...the man who walks through and has a belt that sets the alarm off..."sir, please go back and put the belt on the mechine"...he does not get any additional screening! So, my family is selected...i'm asked which bags are mine...I am shaking like mad from embarassment/annoyance/and nervousness...and I respond "we all packed them together"...I'm asked again and give the same answer...seeing how I will not be too cooperative, they search all 4 of our family bags and our coats...puting each electronic device to the explosive test. (I know its procedeure, but it was a waste of time!) Then, they (IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAVELERS WALKING BY, LOOKING AT ME IN A FUNNY WAY)...I am being treated like a terrorist, in the most embarassing moment of my life being wanded. So, finally wonding finishes, we get our tickets stamped, and its all over. Not really, we still have to wait 10 mins to get our bags searched!
Ok, we had pleanty of time, so why am I so mad? For a few reasons...First, I check with the TSA all the time...i am on their website whenever I travel. I never carry prohibited items and my family checks with me to make sure that they are traveling right and won't get stopped (and believe it or not, i had to keep them from putting a few things in!). I was so prepared this time that I even put my glasses in a pocket in my jacket..so I was almost blind during the whole process! (It was the first time ever that I put my glasses through the X-ray!) Also, we are a family from FLL traveling up north, packing heavy. I actually had to convince my parents to check a bag in the first place because i was worried about being randomly selected. (And needless to say we were glad we did!) We wasted at least 4 screeners and their time just from being randomly selected. Also, after going through security and them seeing that we had nothing in there and passing through the metal detector, why do we need the extra search when 200 others who have done the same do not?
We need to do away with random selectees and move to a better system..I'd rather be searched because of something suspicious than for the sake of luring the nation into a sense of "Something's being done" when that "something" is a bunch of BS "random" screening of familys and old people!
Philhyde From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 675 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24972 times:
I've always had "professional and acceptable" experiences with the TSA as well, but it's is a little disconcerting sometimes when you see inconsistencies in their enforcement. In my case, did an agent see my nail scissors and decide they were OK, or did they overlook them? If the latter, isn't that a problem?
There is no reason to rip the TSA a new one for being tough or thorough, but you should not be an apologist for them either. Security personnel in general should always be professional and courteous - on top of their game, if you will - without exception. That kind of scrutiny is not a bad thing.
10MID From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24958 times:
And some airports, like golf courses, have "local rules". My favorite is the one at IAH, where if you go through the checkpoint with crew ID but without an IAH airport badge, and are not in uniform, you must take your shoes off. If you're in uniform, you can keep your shoes on. Since taking shoes off is optional, I'm better off if I got myself a boarding pass.
Mtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24939 times:
TSA is generally doing a good job- MUCH better than what we had before 9/11-
As a Crew member, my worst experience has always been in IND- I don't know why.... I guess they target the Crews there.....
Also a few years back in Nagoya, we had a Crew member be detained for misunderstanding what was asked of her about carrying weapons. We waited over an hour why she was searched, detained, and searched again (including make-up samples taken from her purse!!!). It turned into total trauma for the Crew member, and a change of policy for the NGO Airport authority....
A nightmare for her, and a lot of paperwork for the Crew!!!
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4141 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24927 times:
I disagree with you on a couple of points, Moman, and suggest you re-read my post. I am all for safe travel but I think it has to come with an ounce of common sense. I do not feel that flying is a 'God-given right' but I don't really appreciate idiotic interpretations of unclear rules. Discretion is very powerful and the TSA needs to be careful how it is used.
First of all, the obvious. In my case, I was traveling with a flashlight. Not a gun or a knife or even a battering ram. A working flashlight.
Secondly, the part that bothers me the most, is the inconsistency. What goes at one airport doesn't go somewhere else. This makes me mad because there is no rhyme or reason to it. Common sense has no role in these matters and that is wrong. My flashlight was no less a weapon at TPA than at JFK or TLH (earlier the same day!). What it did cause me was extra work to go back to the check-in counter and figure out how to send it with the checked bags.
I don't like inconsistent rules, and I'm guessing most of the traveling public doesn't either. I don't like that some airports make you take off your shoes and others don't. IT SHOULD BE ALL OR NOTHING- people deserve to know what to expect.
BAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 24867 times:
Stop complaining about the TSA. FLYING IS NOT A GOD-GIVEN RIGHT. If it was, we would each have wings. If you have a problem with the TSA checking you, then don't fly.
People say they are "humiliated" to get patted down; if they lived through an aviation bombing, they would complain the TSA didn't do enough checking.
I agree with you Moman, but I think the main point that people are trying to make here is the lack of consistency. The question is, why do some airports allow you to carry certain items in your hand baggage when others don't? I don't know why, but I know that here in Europe there seems to be inconsistency at different airports as to what causes you to set the scanner alarm off and what doesn't. I often find that I can walk through the scanner at a UK airport without making a sound, yet on my return journey, having taken exactly the same steps to place all metal items in my bag or jacket, the scanner beeps causing me to be singled out for a pat down.
Personally, I don't find a pat down to be a humiliating experience - I know that they're not going to find anything anyway (I'm a squeaky-clean citizen!), although it may be a different story if I were to be submitted to a strip search! In my early days of flying, a pat down seemed to be the only option, or at least an additional process following the scanner walk-through, so I guess I'm used to it, so I don't really see why people are so phased by it - but then we're all different.
My personal issue is the fact that I'm heading into the unknown when I pass through airport security as I never know how I'm going to get treated in comparison to the last airport I passed through. If things were the same from airport to airport, I wouldn't think twice about it.
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Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 47 Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 24851 times:
Let me play devil's advocate here for a moment. I like consistency, too, but consistency can become complacency, which can become inattention, which breeds increased risk. If the people who wish to do harm aboard aircraft never know when they're going to be flagged for secondary screening, then they have a harder time preparing for their action. If they are able to figure out a routine, then they can plan to circumvent each step.
Copenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 592 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 24791 times:
I was going from EWR to CPH. I had to take my shoes of, and my belt of my jeans, in fact I had to take my sweater of, plus everything else, even my Dimes in a plasticbag. Remember this was not in a private room, but I was happy that she had some humor, when I was going to take my t-shirt of with a smile in public, she said it was not necessary with a smile also. But yes it is strange compared to European airports. In fact when I entered the US, I only had my fingerprints done, but no pics of my eyes as the two one before had been done. Don't no the reason why it was not taken. In CPH check-in going to NY, the two guys in front of me were checked in the closely. But not me. Even the boy 12-13 year old in front of me was checked, even his gifts for Christmas was openend or x-rated. I hope he is a strong guy, but I am sure they asked him in a nice way. BTW the SAS route to Washíngton is changed to a UA flight in this winter. We had two lines one for EWR and one for Washington. UA had special (big man) securities in CPH as if they don't trust in the way it is done in Copenhagen. Everyone was asked the reasons going to US. We are used to have it done when entering the US. Almost leaving at the same hour, different check-in procedures. But no lack of security at all.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16528 posts, RR: 48 Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 24760 times:
"Stop complaining about the TSA"
WHAT? Clearly you've never had to work with the mentally-retarded mafiosos...and that's being nice...AND offending those that are actually mentally retarded. Just about every day I'm amazed by their sheer incompetence and unwillingness to create uniform and succinct procedures that both help themselves and/or those they work with.
Stargoldlhr From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 24719 times:
I always travel with the same carry on bag, for nearly 3 years and 200 flights.
on My 4th trip to the US this year the scanners at LHR found a little screw driver (for use on laptop screws) in a small compartment in the bag..
...and fair enough they kept it. I had no problem with this except one...
I dont ever remember putting it in there (though it was mine, ive had it for years and I didnt recall seeing it for many months), so all I can deduce is that it has been riding round the world in my carry on for at least 30 or 40 flights maybe more before any scanner spotted it... theres something wrong with security here... either someone was too observant and strict, or many people have been too lax.
The other... just goes to show it's not just the TSA
and for me... I bought a new screwdriver and pack it in my check in now.
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 31 Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 24712 times:
The screeners at Newark Int. are notoriously poor. I can't tell you how many times I have gone through security at Newark, only to have something in my bag, like scissors or a swiss army knife, found on the return leg.
Also, we had an article in the Newark Star-Ledger recently about how a bunch of screeners were fired for failing mandatory tests. Not very reassuring.
Espion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24647 times:
Ok well heres my TSA story.
It was about 4 or 6 months after 9/11 and i was returning from Moscow. Anyway while in the city i went to the WW2 museum and bought a plastic toy gun that resembles an Ak-47 for about 250 rubles (around $10US).Let me also add that while in moscow near ostankino,my mother bought a manicure kit(which included a small pair of scissors).Now 3 days later,its in a cardboard box,in my bag. We are in JFK airport in the security line for our connection flight to IAD. First goes in our regular carry on luggage. Nothing special. Then goes in the bag with the toy gun. All the TSAs dont even take a second glance at the weapon,which i found surprising. But then they found a threat to national security in our bags- the pair of manicure scissors. Bla Bla Bla we get through later and get home.
Now i still wonder how the hell all the TSAs overlooked the ak-47 toy gun in our bags, yet went crazy over scissors. Kind of shocking.
57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24643 times:
Responding to the original post considering the 18" flashlight, it does fall into the classification of a potential weapon. There may have been a local rule put in place by the local TSA manager or the airport authority itself. In the federal system, many agencies have local rules that differ from one locale to another, based on differing needs or localized concerns. It could also be that internal information channels turned up something concerning Mag-Lite flashlights that the organization deemed required additional measures during the time that elapsed on your trip. From my experiance, I have seen something as harmless as a Club steering wheel lock converted into a camoflage short barrel shotgun. If it were not for the internal intelligence networks, our officers would never have known of that possible threat. Returning to the flashlight, a number of police departments have banned use of the Mag-Lite model mentioned due to the propensity of officers to use it as a baton in leiu of proper batons.
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Nlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24632 times:
I belive it should be a bit different in order to keep people on their toes. So many people are so dumb and either don't/ can't read a sign once they enter an airport for some reason. If you read the signs, take everything out of your pockets before entering the checkpoint line and place it inside your bag, take off belt and shoes the checkpoint would be 100% smoother, except people don't.
It's stilla a shame that the TSA still finds thousands of knifes at the checkpoint, over 3 years past 9/11. I really hope they start sometype of no discretion ticketing /fine penalty for stupid items for carry knifes and such. People would start thinking after it hit there pocketbook/wallet.
BIGBlack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24624 times:
I disagree only because I know a lot of people who mess up are amatuers who don't know any better. They are usually overwhlemed by the experience of flight. We should be diligent but not turn flight into an evil experience. It ruins the wonder of air travel.
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 31 Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24610 times:
I've taken a maglite on board flights in the past, although mine wasn't as big as in the original post. The screener did become suspicious of it, though, and did a thorough inspection of my bag. When she got to my maglite, she took it apart as much as she could, and swabbed all the pieces with those circular clothes, which I believe detect bomb residue. I didn't mind the increased scrutiny, but the thing that really got me frustrated was that when she was finished, she had no idea how to put it back together, and handed all the pieces back to me to put back together in the busy security area.
UA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1694 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 24607 times:
I have had great experiences with the TSA at Dulles, since they've been there, although I think the DCA staff is friendlier, because they actually smile. I do have one story.
My family spends it's summers in Lake Tahoe, CA and we were going to Vegas for the weekend because my dad was invited to Al Davis's (Oakland Raiders owner) 75th birthday, for which all former Raider team members were invited. Anyways, we were flying WN from RNO to LAS. Although we had used WN alot this summer, out of Reno, for my college visits and all, we still had the SSSS on the bottom of our tickets.
This is usually for people with one-way tickets, but WN also puts them on tickets for passengers who don't fly WN a lot. So we had to go through extra security, and because it was 4th of July weekend, the airport was slammed. We were coming close to missing the flight. I turned to my brother and said "This is such a waste of time." Evidently a TSA person heard this, and turned around quickly and snapped at us: "Yeah, it will be waste of time when your plane nose-dives and goes smashing into the ground." A bit disturbing...
25 Flymia: They will check the flashlight. They might just give it to a FA or Pilot to hold. Or even put it down below and you will see you flash light in a litt
26 Pilotpip: One of the reasons that some airports do things like always require shoes off, or to take your jackets off, etc and others don't is to keep things fro
27 Flairport: "(I know its procedeure, but it was a waste of time!)" Not really the TSA does not know you, how do they know you dont have an explosive in your elect
28 DeltAirlines: Just throwing my two cents in... I am an elite in a frequent flyer program, so I fly quite a bit. 99% percent of my experiences with the TSA have been
29 Cancidas: i was flying from PHX to DEN to LGA last August and had my flight bag as a carryon item (that bag was worth more than my car at the time and I wasn't
30 Skyguy: Fact is folks, that the TSA is staffed by the poorly educated who lack sufficient intelligence to make informed and logical decisions themselves. As a
31 ANCFlyer: Damn good post Skyguy. TSA is a joke, as much a joke as their predecessors. TSA=Thousands Standing Around. Government employees indeed. At least they
32 BDLGUY: I had a TSA incident at BDL (MY home airport) last April 2004. After work, I decided to stop by at BDL for spotting/photographing for a while. As I ar
33 N743AS: don't get me started... I was "Gate Raped" on Saturday after I told the screener I'd rather keep my shoes on. So the Do***ebag made me do the whole se
34 ANCFlyer: So, that begs the question N734AS . . . Comment First: I have lots of miles - well over a million in the last 5 years - on my three primary carriers .
35 N743AS: the only guys that really made a point to the TSA got fired for their comments (a USair guy). I'd post his comments but in this day and age you gotta
36 Skymonster: Biggest problem I have is not with the rules, or the attitude, its the selectee screening. Either the x-rays and the metal detector arch work (in whic
37 EI A330-200: There is one thing that you aren't taking into account, Richierich. The fact is, a mag light packs quite a wallop. If you hit someone with it, you cou
38 Zonky: Skymonster: Not all materials (plastics, etc) may show up in a scanner search- the random additional search is a sensible precaution.
39 Okie: While I can not speak for every airport in the US, my experiences have been that MIA and IND are the most thorough from my point of view. I have seen
40 HlywdCatft: **""The problem appeared to be with my Maglite flashlight - the TSA officer at TPA deemed it "against regulations". This is a large, approximately 18"
41 Moman: HlywdCatft: I am also frustrated that they check seemingly innocent old people to the tooth and nail. I could give a crap less about political correct
42 ANCFlyer: ""The mission of the TSA is to get passengers from point A to B safely (without terrorism)"" Nooooo, it's the air carriers job to get passengers from
43 Fixplanes2: As a airline employee I (VERY RELUCTANTLY---AND HATE EVERY MINUTE OF IT) do fly frequently. When you drive onto airport property you do surrender all
44 Captoveur: TSA= Tom's Stupid Asses (No longer valid because Tom Ridge is gone) Personally, I used to get gate raped (I love that term) almost every time I flew.
45 Godspeed: Having been a ticketing/gate agent for a major int.airline last year in MIA, i've found the utmost B.S. in which TSA works "so-called" doing their job
46 Willbdsp: I've been patted down, felt up, goosed, and walked thru security barefoot on many occasions. My experiences with the TSA haven't been as bad as some o
47 HlywdCatft: **"TSA= Tom's Stupid Asses"** Hey, I created that one a while back, or at least I swear i did. Yeah but we can't use it anymore. I forgot the name of
48 Skymonster: Zonky said: Skymonster: Not all materials (plastics, etc) may show up in a scanner search- the random additional search is a sensible precaution. No,
49 Apcaz8: Reading everyone bad mouthing the TSA needs to realize some screener's may seem rude because they are dealing with passengers like yourself that think
50 Richierich: There is one thing that you aren't taking into account, Richierich. The fact is, a mag light packs quite a wallop. If you hit someone with it, you cou
51 Moman: Rich--- didn't mean to sound so harsh.....remember the story of the flashlight exploding in LAX and them closing it down for a few hours last summer?
52 Richierich: Moman - maybe that wouldn't be so bad!!
53 Apcaz8: Richierich, As stated in several previous posts there are no inconsistencies in plan so to speak to keep terrorists on their toes. Each airport has it
54 10MID: It says when you go for secondary screening you MAY request to be searched by a member of your own gender. But then again I may waive that. I'd like t
55 PROSA: they have been given absolute power over anyone flying, and that has turned into a massive power trip. The worst part is, we are no safer because of i
56 Lincoln: Generally, the TSA Screeners I've encountered have been no different than the folks they replaced -- not great, not bad, just kinda doing their job. A
57 Flairport: I used to have my virtually empty carry on bag emptied and then repacked. And they throw everything in there and you have to look all around for that
58 Captoveur: "And there have been how many hijackings in the United States since the TSA took over ...?" And there were how many hijackings in the US in lets say 2
59 JetRanger2000: When I last flew out of PDX, one of my carry-on bags had something in it that caused concern when it went through the baggage scanner. It was hand sea
60 Flairport: See...not all TSA agents are "bad guys"! Just read my post above. There are a ton of different reasons people work for the TSA...for some, its a good
61 Flybyguy: From what I've read thus far it seems that the TSA is NOT doing a good job and the only reason why our nation has not been attacked again is because t
62 Dazed767: Some good points: I was a selectee cause I was on a NRSB ticket (in ATL). 20 minute wait, but the agents were real friendly with me when they were ana
63 BENNETT123: ANCFLYER What religon were the Oklahoma City bombers. Captoveur Fortuneately, the Shoe Bomber tried to set the bomb off in the cabin. If he had gone
64 Newark777: We can't go back and forth fighting about what religion terrorists are. Was Tim McVeigh a Muslim? No. Was that an isolated incident? Yes. The fact is,