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The KLM/Northwest Alliance After Joining SkyTeam  
User currently offlineGlobeTrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 15
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Hi everyone,

I have a question. We all know about the close relationship between KL and NW. The joint venture on transatlantic flights, KL selling NW tickets on its stock in Europe and NW doing the same in North America etc.

My question are:

What will happen to the relationship now that it's Air France-KLM and after both KL and NW joined SkyTeam?

Will the KL/NW relationship remain as tight or will it be spread more equal among the other carriers?

How about the ticket sales procedures?

Will AMS still be a hub for NW?

Any thoughts people?


GlobeTrekker




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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

NW and KL have been granted a level of immunity and allotted cooperation that no alliance since has (nor probably ever will) receive....

...I rather doubt they're in a rush to give it up.


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

KL is the reason NW joined SkyTeam. Because of their relationship, when KL and AF merged, KL brought NW along to SkyTeam. Because NW has the tie up with CO and DL, they came along too.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

NW/KL will remain as close as they have. Look at this way: There is a holding company, or corporate parent that owns company x and company y (in this case - Air France-KLM owns an airline called Air France and an airline called KLM). Company y has a close operational partnership with company z (in this case, KL has a close partnership with NW). Company x also cooperates with company z, but operationally is not as close with z as x is.

Make sense?



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User currently offlineGlobeTrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

@TWFirst
Yes this is completely clear.

What about simple things like handling on the ground? AFAIK KL was handled by NW at most if not all US stations....I don't know how that is for AF, but I suspect that DL did most of the ground handling??

If you want to market AF and KL as "one" airline, who then takes over the handling?
Do they look at price or am I not looking at this correctly?

Any input would be highly appreciated.

GlobeTrekker



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5261 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

If you want to market AF and KL as "one" airline, who then takes over the handling?

They don't market them as 1 airline..( yet) So I guess that DL will keep on handling AF flights and NW the KL flights. AF will have the right to 'eat' the name KLM in a few years, but till that time it will be two separate airlines.

KL911


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5198 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3320 times:

The KLM/NW alliance will probably serve as a model to further integrate the rest of Skyteam, wherever possible.

NW/CO/DL will undoubtedly become as tight as the government will allow, and will mirror the AF/KLM integration, without the outright merger of the 3 US carriers.

In a few years, I could see Alitalia and CSA coming under the corporate wing of Air France, but they'll digest KLM first. Unless of course either AZ or OK get into trouble, then AF may move quicker than planned, as long as they think the carriers are worth saving.

AeroMexico and Korean will remain independent members of the 'Team. I see COPA coming in sooner or later as well as Malaysian and one Chineese carrier.

Aeroflot will be entering, what level of cooperation they enter will be interesting.



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4412 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

"The KLM/NW alliance will probably serve as a model to further integrate the rest of Skyteam, wherever possible."

...Thing is, that level of integration is virutally impossible to duplicate with the other carriers due to regulatory and labor issues.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Chineese carrier.

I do believe that would be China Southern



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User currently offlineGlobeTrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Indeed CZ did sign a Memorandum of Understanding with SkyTeam


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