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User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

I remember UA operated SFO-HKG-DEL-LON-IAD-SFO back in the 90s. I am quite sure this was a money maker for them b4 SARS. I wonder if they will restart this again?



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Before 9.11, UA used to fly LAX-JFK-LHR-DEL-HKG-LAX. Before 9.11, RTW was already going to be axed and be replaced by ORD-DEL. However, everything was cancelled after 9.11

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6822 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

It was LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD-LAX and the reverse.

User currently offlineStargoldlhr From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

UA sold their slots for this route east out of London.
I remember asking a F/A about this.
They said that it was originally going to be expanded as a bigger thing with a DXB route as well, loads on the HKG-DHI wasnt good and LHR-DHI could have been better.

After 9-11 basically "over hell and earth would a US civil airline dare risk flying over the middle east" was the response.



So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3513 times:

As for the routing, people are right on both accounts.

The original RTW routing back in the mid 1990s was:

LAX-HKG :744
HKG-DEL-LHR-JFK-LAX: 763

Originally, UA only flew the HKG-DEL route as a 763 because this was all that they had approval for. The problem was that the 763 arrived in HKG from DEL in the morning, around 10AM or so, and parked there all day until its evening flight back to Delhi at around 8PM. Many know how expensive Kai Tak parking rates were. They later received approval to switch the HKG-DEL flight to a 744. This improved aircraft utilization as the 763 flying from LHR simply turned around after a couple of hours in Delhi and went back to LHR and the 744 from LAX to HKG continued to DEL and then back in plenty of time to operate the morning flight to LAX. However, they were only permitted to sell the number of seats that they had operated with the 763, thus leaving the aircraft relatively empty. I am not sure when or even if this ever got changed, but from what I read about, they were doing quite well in the market.

In around 1999 or 2000, the RTW got changed to route through IAD instead of JFK and the entire operation was switched to 744s.

For some reason, I keep thinking that there was a year or two with no RTW service in between, but the other half of my mind says no. Can anyone help me with this?

Also, as United Airline stated, plans were already for the nonstop ORD-DEL flights to replace the Europe segment. Not sure about the HKG-DEL segment. Either park the plane in HKG overnight or fly another route.

That brings another question to mind. Did the short-lived HKG-BKK flight during the early Star Alliance years not go as well? I remember UA switching over for a while in 1998 or so, but then returning to SIN after about a year. Anything on that route?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

UAL International routes drop since the mid-1990s

EWR-
LHR, NRT

JFK-

Caracas, Port Of Spain, Rio De Janeiro, Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Hong Kong

Miami-

Caracas, Lima, Guatemala City, San Jose, Lima, Santiago, Rio De Janeiro, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires, Grand Cayman

Washington Dulles-

Madrid, Milan



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

THey also used to fly to Auckland out of LAX I think?


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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

As well as LAX-CDG, which I flew.

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

LAX-AKL
LAX-MEL
PDX-NRT
SEA-HKG
SEA-LHR
PDX-IAH (or maybe HOU, not sure)
SEA-HNL (originate/terminate in PDX)
SEA-JFK
SEA-EWR (short lived, used an A320)




User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

UAL launched EWR-SEA , EWR-BOS and EWR-SAN in the late 1990s to which CO responded by launching ORD-SEA, ORD-SAN and LAX-SFO.

Both pulled back, not before I got to fly CO 737-300 from LAX-SFO in November '97, flight was full.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

UA also operated HNL-SYD from the mid 80s, to the mid/late 90s

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16861 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

UAL never flew between Hawaii and Australia during the 1990s, CO did perhaps your confusing them.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6562 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

MSY-MCO. There's a doozie for ya. I want to say that UA flew MSY-MIA as well (for a very short time) during the early 90's. I fondly remember the MCO flight though. It was operated by a B737-300.

User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

I see that LAX-AKL-LAX is already mentioned, but someone forgot the AKL-MEL-AKL sector.

User currently offline727Stretch From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

BOS-MCO in the mid-90s utilizing 733 and 735 equipment (but oddly BOS never saw BOS-MIA, which would have made a lot of since to connect to the former large evening int'l departure bank out of MIA)
BOS-JFK until late 2001 (one daily flight) utilizing A320 or 72S equipment
BOS-LHR until early 2002 utilizing 763 equipment
...many other interesting system routes that have since been dropped.


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3329 times:

Ooops, UA did fly to Auckland/Sydney from HNL during the 1980s, however. Remember UA811? The cargo door blew off shortly after take-off

User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2071 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

UA discontinued SFO-TPE a few years back. To fly to TPE, a connection is needed.


John@SFO
User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

UAL never flew between Hawaii and Australia during the 1990s, CO did perhaps your confusing them

That's right...UA got their first 744s in '89, thus no longer needing HNL-SYD.

Footnote to my comment about PDX-NRT...it wasn't everyday, but 2-3 times per week, using a 742. '83 to '86 I believe. DL took it over in '87, stopped in '01. Now NWA flies it...third time a charm?  Insane


User currently offlineBhmal From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 140 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Back in the early 80's UA used to run 727-200's from BHM to LAX non-stop as well as 727-200's and 737-200's BHM-DEN. HSV of all places also had 727 service non-stop to LAX. How times change. BHM is now very fortunate to have twice daily BHM-DEN on UAX CRJ-700's.

User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3277 times:

I do believe the first Orient flights for UA were SEA/NRT originating ORD. After that, PDX. I can understand dropping SFO/TPE with Eva and China. both with -400's. I have flown UA from (short distance) PDX/GEG and (long distance) LAX/HKG and lots of SFO/HNL and SFO/ORD/NYC - east coast destinations. For over 45 years, UA has been my way to go. Just get the management act together and run with a good product!

Tbear


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Tbear: UA ran SEA-NRT and PDX-NRT at the same time. UA started their "Royal Pacific Service" in '83, and these two cities were the first two, with SEA being the intended gateway city, though that never panned out, and eventually it went to SFO.

The PDX flights weren't successful, so they were dropped. UA still operates the SEA-NRT, after a hiatus for a while. CO and AA operated the route, and NWA always did. Now, it's just UA and NW out of SEA.


User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 851 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

I flew N/S on Nov. 7, 1980 from CLE-FLL on a 727. They used to have quite a setup in Cleveland, with non-stops to LAX and SFO as well. On a previous post, we were discussing the widebody service, including DC-10's and 767's into CLE. Also, MIA used to see quite a few 747's down to South America and out to LAX and SFO right after the PA merger.

User currently offlineKwbl From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

I believe the PDX-NRT and SEA-NRT routes were flown by UA until 1986 but had to give the routes up when Pan Am sold their pacific ops to UA. The PDX flight left on Tuesdays only with the other 6 days going through SEA

User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3080 times:

2 cities that I see are not on the list are CNF and BNE. cnf was via gig or gru(cant remember) on the 763, and bne was via syd on the 400


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User currently offlineMainland From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3029 times:

Was BNE ever a scheduled destination for UA? I remember diverting to BNE for fuel or due to bad weather in SYD, but I don't remember any passengers boarding or even being brought to a gate.


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25 Kkfla737 : MIA-MEX (eventually became a Mexicana codeshare) MCO-MEX MIA-SJU MCO-MDW MCO-LGA MIA-ATL MIA-LGA MIA-DCA ORD-DUS
26 Jkudall : A few more: KIX-GUM SPN-GUM KIX-SPN TPE-MNL NRT-MNL MNL-SEL TPE-SEL PEK-SHA [Edited 2004-12-09 19:29:11] Edited to add: UA also used to fly to Athens,
27 Uadc8contrail : Mainland, i believe ua ran the route for about 1 year. i flew to bne on ua815 in fall of 91.
28 StevenUhl777 : Re: BNE...yes, it was a continuation of 815, went to SYD first, and then up to BNE.
29 Post contains images JeffLAS : How about this one: Flight 618: LAS-DTW-PHL .....in the late 70's.
30 Timz : "I keep thinking that there was a year or two with no RTW service" UA dropped Delhi sometime in 1998-1999. Probably didn't resume until they began the
31 UA744KSFO : When the Italy route first started, it went IAD-MXP-FCO-MXP-IAD. Then it was switched to IAD-FCO-MXP-IAD. Then Rome was dropped and it was just IAD-MX
32 UA744KSFO : Also, I almost forgot about IAH-MIA, EWR-MIA, and JFK-MIA. At one time, UA served MIA from all three NY area airports. I took the flight from JFK in J
33 Uadc8contrail : stevenuhl777, your postings about the usa pacific nw service to nrt reminded me of when i was "stuck'in dfw in 85. our only option literally was to ge
34 ANCFlyer : A very short route for UA used to be ANC-FAI-ANC . . .a continuation of the SEA-ANC-SEA flight. It was my daughters first plane trip . . . FAI-ANC sea
35 Kkfla737 : That's right; MIA-CNF was a route flown for a few years in the mid 90s.
36 Groundstop : In the mid-90's, I remember UA915 operated GVA-CDG with a 727, then CDG-IAD and IAD-MIA with a 747SP. I also remember short-lived 727 service between
37 The777Man : UA744KSFO: IAD-MXP-FCO-IAD was actually operated by a 747-100. FCO was dropped in Oct95 and IAD-MXP was then flown by a 763. IAD-MXP was a 777 only on
38 UA744KSFO : The777Man, Thanks for the info on that! I guess it was probably one of the ex-PA 747's then. Also, ORD-SEL was operated at one point. Didn't UA also s
39 Groundstop : Yes, Flight 887 operated LGA-MIA-PTY with a 733. The flight returned to MIA as 840. That was in 1994.
40 The777Man : Yes, UA also operated MIA-PTY for a short time and also ORD-SEL as well. UA got two ex-PA full size 747s but never operated them in service. UA did ge
41 Ord : United flew Chicago-Merida (Mexico) back around 1980.
42 UA744KSFO : Oh yeah, there was also a flight that went SFO-GEG-YYC with a 72S.
43 Skycruiser : JFK-CCS-POS JFK-POS JFK-GRU JFK-GIG JFK-EZE LHR-HAM LHR-TXL LHR-MUC CDG-GVA CDG-ATH CDG-MUC? IAD-MAD LAX-YVR SFO-YYZ LAX-TPE
44 StevenUhl777 : Throw in SEA-YVR as well...came in from Chicago and continued on, using a 727. I worked the flight when I was a summer ramprat in '96.
45 Jc5280 : Wasn't LAX-ITO one as well? I am sure there are a few other Hawaii flights we have not mentioned....
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