Stargoldlhr From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3670 times:
UA sold their slots for this route east out of London.
I remember asking a F/A about this.
They said that it was originally going to be expanded as a bigger thing with a DXB route as well, loads on the HKG-DHI wasnt good and LHR-DHI could have been better.
After 9-11 basically "over hell and earth would a US civil airline dare risk flying over the middle east" was the response.
So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3524 times:
As for the routing, people are right on both accounts.
The original RTW routing back in the mid 1990s was:
Originally, UA only flew the HKG-DEL route as a 763 because this was all that they had approval for. The problem was that the 763 arrived in HKG from DEL in the morning, around 10AM or so, and parked there all day until its evening flight back to Delhi at around 8PM. Many know how expensive Kai Tak parking rates were. They later received approval to switch the HKG-DEL flight to a 744. This improved aircraft utilization as the 763 flying from LHR simply turned around after a couple of hours in Delhi and went back to LHR and the 744 from LAX to HKG continued to DEL and then back in plenty of time to operate the morning flight to LAX. However, they were only permitted to sell the number of seats that they had operated with the 763, thus leaving the aircraft relatively empty. I am not sure when or even if this ever got changed, but from what I read about, they were doing quite well in the market.
In around 1999 or 2000, the RTW got changed to route through IAD instead of JFK and the entire operation was switched to 744s.
For some reason, I keep thinking that there was a year or two with no RTW service in between, but the other half of my mind says no. Can anyone help me with this?
Also, as United Airline stated, plans were already for the nonstop ORD-DEL flights to replace the Europe segment. Not sure about the HKG-DEL segment. Either park the plane in HKG overnight or fly another route.
That brings another question to mind. Did the short-lived HKG-BKK flight during the early Star Alliance years not go as well? I remember UA switching over for a while in 1998 or so, but then returning to SIN after about a year. Anything on that route?
727Stretch From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3345 times:
BOS-MCO in the mid-90s utilizing 733 and 735 equipment (but oddly BOS never saw BOS-MIA, which would have made a lot of since to connect to the former large evening int'l departure bank out of MIA)
BOS-JFK until late 2001 (one daily flight) utilizing A320 or 72S equipment
BOS-LHR until early 2002 utilizing 763 equipment
...many other interesting system routes that have since been dropped.
Bhmal From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 140 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3285 times:
Back in the early 80's UA used to run 727-200's from BHM to LAX non-stop as well as 727-200's and 737-200's BHM-DEN. HSV of all places also had 727 service non-stop to LAX. How times change. BHM is now very fortunate to have twice daily BHM-DEN on UAX CRJ-700's.
Tbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3288 times:
I do believe the first Orient flights for UA were SEA/NRT originating ORD. After that, PDX. I can understand dropping SFO/TPE with Eva and China. both with -400's. I have flown UA from (short distance) PDX/GEG and (long distance) LAX/HKG and lots of SFO/HNL and SFO/ORD/NYC - east coast destinations. For over 45 years, UA has been my way to go. Just get the management act together and run with a good product!
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3259 times:
Tbear: UA ran SEA-NRT and PDX-NRT at the same time. UA started their "Royal Pacific Service" in '83, and these two cities were the first two, with SEA being the intended gateway city, though that never panned out, and eventually it went to SFO.
The PDX flights weren't successful, so they were dropped. UA still operates the SEA-NRT, after a hiatus for a while. CO and AA operated the route, and NWA always did. Now, it's just UA and NW out of SEA.
Jetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 860 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3241 times:
I flew N/S on Nov. 7, 1980 from CLE-FLL on a 727. They used to have quite a setup in Cleveland, with non-stops to LAX and SFO as well. On a previous post, we were discussing the widebody service, including DC-10's and 767's into CLE. Also, MIA used to see quite a few 747's down to South America and out to LAX and SFO right after the PA merger.
Kwbl From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3154 times:
I believe the PDX-NRT and SEA-NRT routes were flown by UA until 1986 but had to give the routes up when Pan Am sold their pacific ops to UA. The PDX flight left on Tuesdays only with the other 6 days going through SEA