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NZ Spending 2 Billion On New Planes  
User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1686 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

just been reading around and came accross this, chief executive, Ralph Norris, said it was well placed and was looking at spending $2 billion in coming years to refurbish its fleet. Another "crunch" would be in 2010 when a large number of planes would need replacing.

This can not include the 1 Billion already spent on the tripple seven's so
anyone else heard anything, anything from the big guns??!!





NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
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User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

Maybe converting some of the options on the 7E7's and 777's into firm orders at that point. Just speculation on my part.

[Edited 2004-12-08 19:25:25]


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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5939 times:

Nyc777

I think the same thing.No way for them to order another type of plane.It will not make sense to add another type to a small fleet.Perhaps some A380s for LHR and LAX................really not sure.Probably more 7E7s , 777-300ERs and A321s.


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5774 times:

ZK-OJH - I would assume the $2B figure comes from the A320s and ATR72s yet to be delivered, the 7E7s and 777s, and the Q300s (which are worth $350M). According to the information contained with the recent rights issue, the airline has the following aircraft on order:

8 777-200ER
2 7E7
6 A320
1 ATR72
17 Q300

V/F



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8447 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5688 times:

Could this spend also include the refurbishment of aircraft and the installation of PTV's?

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5638 times:

I cannot see the A380 in NZ colours yet, however I hope this will change. I think they will opt for the 773ER when the 744s are retired. I would personally like to see them invest in 744 advanced or the A380, but I feel it is unlikely at the moment.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5610 times:
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Probably more 7E7s , 777-300ERs and A321s.

Around 2008-2009 when the B744s are due for replacement then some of the 42 long-haul options will be taken up (B773ERs). When four of the B772ERs that will be leased are due for renewal, then those four B772ERs will leave the fleet and more B7E7s will be ordered to replace them. Before 2010 all the domestic B733s will need to be replaced, the A320 family options will be taken up for the replacements. When each ATR 72 lease expires then expect the Q400 options to be taken up. The final B762ER should be gone from the fleet by next year, this will be replaced by one of the next NZ A320 to be delivered. The next A320 should be delivered in about 12 months time as the next 4 A320s that will be delivered are going to SJ (Freedom Air) The B1900Ds are basically only a few years old so these wont be replaced around 2010, unless NZ wants extra capicity on the routes served by the 1900Ds.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5581 times:
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I cannot see the A380 in NZ colours yet
NZ don't need the A380 as they don't need the extra capicity.

Could this spend also include the refurbishment of aircraft and the installation of PTV's? no

I would assume the $2B figure comes from the A320s and ATR72s yet to be delivered, the 7E7s and 777s, and the Q300s The $2B is not on the current aircraft on order. The extra $2B is about the aircraft that will need to be ordered around 2010. Like the B744 replacement (B773ER), the 4 leased, (on order) B772ERs (B7E7s), domestic B733 (A320 family) etc

From what I understand, from 2010 NZs future fleet will be
B773ERs
B772ERs
B7E7-8 and possibly B7E7-9
A320
A319 (B733 replacement)
Q300 and possibly A400
B1900Ds


User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

A400? Isn't that a military transport? Why would ANZ use a military transport?


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5546 times:
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Nyc777

Thanks for picking that up. Yes I mean Q400


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5446 times:

ZK-OJH - do you have a source on this $2B figure that says it is in addition to the present aircraft on order?

777ER - the original post says the $2B is for the coming years, and the 2010 issue is something separate...

V/F



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User currently offlineNz1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2255 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5237 times:
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The next A320 should be delivered in about 12 months time as the next 4 A320s that will be delivered are going to SJ (Freedom Air)

The next NZ A320 is actually arriving in January and will be ZK-OJJ. ZK-OJK thru ZK-OJO will be delivered to Freedomair starting in May next year at thre rate of 1 frame every 2 months.

Perhaps some A380s for LHR and LAX................

This will never happen, not in my lifetime. Trust me on this one guys OK.

When four of the B772ERs that will be leased are due for renewal, then those four B772ERs will leave the fleet and more B7E7s will be ordered to replace them.

Not true. The 4 ILFC 772's are here for the long haul, until 2015 at least.

Around 2008-2009 when the B744s are due for replacement then some of the 42 long-haul options will be taken up (B773ERs).

The 1st 744 lease doesn't expire until 2010 except ZK-SUH which will leave in March 2006 and is not being cabin upgraded. Expect 773 orders around then.

777ER - the original post says the $2B is for the coming years, and the 2010 issue is something separate...

This figure includes the cabin upgrade, 777 delivery, remaing A320 deliveries, Q300's for Air Nelson, as well as exit C checks on various aircraft.

Hope this info clears up any misunderstandings.

NZ1



User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

NZ1 - while you're here - the crew have been told that -SUH will be used in a strictly backup role (ie, being kept airworthy but not being given a schedule at all, ONLY used in the event of a refurbished 744 becoming u/s)

Do you have any knowledge about this yet?



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User currently offlineNz1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2255 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5192 times:
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TG992

No mate I haven't heard this. It would make sense though. It is supposed to cease ops in March 06, but on the sheet I have, the lease doesn't expire for another 6 - 9 months, so yes it may well be used as a back-up to the other 7.

Do you mind if I ask what area you work in? I thought you were in Flight Dispatch for some reason.

Cheers
NZ1


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5319 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

So SJ are getting 5 A320's now, makes sense since they now have 5 733's.

I always though they would keep the 4 leased 772's longer than until they ordered more 7E7's, otherwise they may as well just keep the 763's in service for longer, except they don't have the range or uplift for some flights they may be required to operate. Then again things can change between now and then. Also remember 777ER that the 7E7 carries probably 70-80 less pax than the 772.


User currently offlineNz1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2255 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5029 times:
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SJ were always going to be getting 5 A320's. Don't know where the 4 came from in the 1st place..haha

It doesn't make any difference how many 772's are leased. The bottom line is we are getting 8 to start with. The option to lease some is just creative accounting, money managing etc.

NZ1


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

So as I hear SJ is replacing it' 733.

When will NZ replace the rest of it's domestic 733 fleet? Will they get the smaller 319 or just stay with 320?

Is there a chance for some 321 to Australia or Pacific Islands?


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

The feedback from the A320 has not been the fantastic mainly the toilet situation and only having two at the back on Y class!

What will NZ do with these? Reconfigure them? Push them onto more Domestic routes?

So we are only going to operate 7 747's from March 06?? Will the new 777 cover its duties?

Also ZK - NBA will leave the fleet in March 05



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

When will all the NZ 733s be fully phased out? Any plans of expanding the fleet after replacing it?

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5319 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

When will all the NZ 733s be fully phased out? Any plans of expanding the fleet after replacing it?

No decision has been made yet, atleast not announced.

I no you have said Nz1 that ZK-SUH definatly won't get the upgrade, but what if they got another set of slots at LHR before then? Unlikely I no.

Lets see 7 744's could do

AKL-LAX-LHR (Daily, 3 aircraft)
AKL-LAX (Daily 2 aircraft)
AKL-NRT (5 weekly 1 aicraft)
AKL-MEL/BNE (Eack daily with the aircraft that come from LAX in the morning and leave in the evening, should work)

Thats 6, hmm maybe the odd one to KIX hopefully NRT might go daily 744's and thats about it so 7 could be used with that schedule, hopefully a new route to South America or something where a 777 couldn't be used for a while until ETOPS was approved maybe.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Why just Two 7E7s.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Im sure they will order more 7E7's when it is made.

I no you have said Nz1 that ZK-SUH definatly won't get the upgrade, but what if they got another set of slots at LHR before then? Unlikely I no.

I've been on SUH 3 times this year, and it is very dated inside the cabin, more so that the other 744's. Anyone know what that foam is that they use to full in the gaps between the bins and the sides of the aircraft? You can see it upstairs between the side storage bins and the windows. Anyway SUH is full of that and you can see big bits where passengers have picked at it and put their chewing gum.

Will SUH's interior get a spring clean??


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

I doubt SUH will recieve too much attention as it will be leaving in 03/06. Is a route to JNB in the hat anywhere?

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

I would suspect that once South African Airlines have joined the Star Alliance, JNB will be served by some form of codeshare through Perth...

V/F



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12114 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4385 times:
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When will all the NZ 733s be fully phased out?
NZ will continue to operate B733s for a while, ie for about the next 5 years.

Why just Two 7E7s. The two B7E7s will replace the final two B763s that will be retired once the B7E7s are delivered

Since -SUH will be retired next year, then it wont be receiving the cabin upgrade as it would be pointless for NZ to spend several million updating its cabin


25 PlaneSmart : Isn't the 7e7 order far short of an order at present & for the forseeable future = small transferrable / refundable deposit?
26 Zonky : Ordering/Launch customer of the 7E7 does seem very unlike Air NZ's traditionally conservative 'wait & see' approach to fleet selection...
27 Post contains links VirginFlyer : I'm pretty sure the 7E7s are firm orders now - they appear on the Boeing site as such, along with the 4 777s which are being bought directly from Boei
28 TG992 : ZK-SUJ I would love to see NZ fly to JNB, i have no idea if they are looking at that option but i know for a fact there are other cities high on the l
29 PlaneSmart : Not all orders are born equal. Only a snr insider in B or NZ could tell us, but i would be pretty confident the deposit paid for the 7e7's is very sma
30 Greaser : Planesmart, but they did take a right move to improve their service and offers, along with newer, more efficient aircraft. The 'airline to Middle Eart
31 PlaneSmart : Will definitely take delivery of the 777's, the first of many. Don't believe the 7e7 order is anything more than window dressing, although could be re
32 Zkojh : Can we at least start thinking on how many new destinations were looking at, on the international market, or is it top information with Ralph being aw
33 RichardJF : 6-8 new routes would be an excellent idea for NZ. The only difference between Emirates and every other airline is that every month or so they set up a
34 Nz1 : So we are only going to operate 7 747's from March 06?? Will the new 777 cover its duties? Short answer is yes. You should already know this though Ro
35 NZ747 : Is it true that Air Fiji are interested in some AirNZ Saabs? I heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy who probably was high at the time, but is i
36 777ER : NZ747 If Air Fiji are interested then it can only be for the 10 owned Saab340s, as the rest are leased.
37 RichardJF : DVD players or DigEplayers would be good for the 763 on routes to Singapore and HongKong I would imagine.
38 Aerohottie : RichardJF - Air New Zealand are currently trialling the use of DVD players for hire on some trans-tasman routes... I agree with you, this would also b
39 777ER : Isn't the DVDs only avialable on the AKL-MEL route
40 RichardJF : SYD-AKL-LIM-PTY twice weekly 777 with a tie up with copa. This would work nicely for NZ serving Northern South America and Central America. Have the m
41 ZKSUJ : Dont forget that Lan Chile already serve SYD-AKL-LIM. AR goes into that region as well
42 PlaneSmart : Nz1 Don't believe the 7e7 order is anything more than window dressing, although could be related to the carbon fibre repair contract. ANZ insiders shd
43 TG992 : 777ER, Aerohottie and RichardJF Yes the DVD's are on the AKL - MEL only. I find it interesting they have added this feature only on a Express route. P
44 Nz1 : Planesmart re your post #42. Everything I have said is true. I am at a level in the company to KNOW what is truth and what is crap. I don't say things
45 PlaneSmart : Thanks Nz1. July & August 2010 it is then. What build numbers have you been allocated by B? Will you're -8 be the 1st production model in service?
46 PlaneSmart : Nz1, you would know the answer to my question re cabin air refresh rates for the 7e7. Whats the standard & maximum (non-emergency) cabin air refresh r
47 Nz1 : Sorry dude, I don't know the answer to that question. Seems a silly question to ask though. Seems like I might have got your back up because you were
48 777ER : Will you're -8 be the 1st production model in service? NO NZ will not be the first airline to have 7E7-8s in service, ANA is. TG992 Thought so. I hope
49 PlaneSmart : PlaneSmart question: Whats the standard & maximum (non-emergency) cabin air refresh rates (times replaced per hour) for the 7e7 at 30,000 feet, and ho
50 PlaneSmart : Widebodyphotog & Widebody have provided cabin air refresh rates in another thread. Does anyone know if generators in 7e7 will be able to provide as mu
51 777ER : PlaneSmart It is basically impossible to know what the answers to your questions are as the 7e7 has not even flowen yet. If NZ1 is a senior manager, i
52 RichardJF : 7e7 buy is a shrewd move for NZ and can't be judged on existing route networks. There is in fact a good logic to ordering small numbers at this point.
53 PlaneSmart : 777ER "It is basically impossible to know what the answers to your questions are as the 7e7 has not even flowen yet. If NZ1 is a senior manager, it do
54 Nz1 : Planesmart. The reason I haven't answered your question on cabin air refresh rates is, as I have already stated, do not know. If it will make your day
55 777ER : PlaneSmart I agree with you 777ER. But you can choose to answer / not answer in a civil manner. After reading over some of your posts over and over ag
56 Aerohottie : I agree 777ER. Im sure we all appreciate the fine line NZ1 has to walk. NZ1 - which area of Air NZ do you work in?
57 Nz1 : Aerohottie & 777ER Thanks for your positive comments. I work in Engineering. Merry Xmas NZ1
58 ODwyerPW : I can't wait to fly on one of those NZ 7E7-8s or 777-200ERs myself. Doubtful they'll service a LAX-AKL or SFO-AKL route, or will they?
59 Post contains images Megatop747-412 : NZ1: Re your post #34.... The reason the 763 is not being upgraded is because the extra weight and structural mods required would make the a/c unsuita
60 ZKSUJ : Megatop, speaking of SQ, Is it me or has SQ cut back just a little. Last time I flew and I asked for something to eat (just a snack) the answer I got
61 777ER : I can't wait to fly on one of those NZ 7E7-8s or 777-200ERs myself. Doubtful they'll service a LAX-AKL or SFO-AKL route, or will they? AKL-SFO will be
62 Post contains images Megatop747-412 : SUJ: Well, can't really answer that for you. I do know (and have experienced it myself) that once in a while such things do happen, unfortunately. I'm
63 ZKSUJ : I know what you mean about the service and I understand that it was an unfortunate incident, to be fair to SQ there were many kids on that particular
64 Megatop747-412 : SUJ: Yeah that may be true - I've heard the same as well, sadly, but it seems true. However, I personally haven't experienced any major setbacks/probl
65 Nz1 : ZKSUJ Email me through my profile and I will see what I can provide you with, info wise. Regards NZ1
66 ZKSUJ : Thanks NZ1, I'll have a chat to my mate and I'll email you some questions soon. Much appreciated. ZKSUJ
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