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UA Back To SCL Next Year?  
User currently offlineFlyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

I just got back from a trip to the US and on my way back IAH-EZE, I was talking to one of the flight crew and she told me that there is a strong rumor that they will be back to Santiago next year.
Any insider information ?

Thanks and hope to see the friendly skies back to Chile.

AN

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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4244 times:

From where? ORD? IAD?

User currently offlineFlyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

She didn't know, but I guess it would be ORD.
Good connections to Asia and Europe.


User currently offlineCx750 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

If they go back to SCL, it would be from IAD - much better local market and good UA connectivity.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22681 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Do you happen to have numbers to back up the claim that IAD has a better local market. WAS splits among 3 airports, while CHI only splits among 2, and we know that ORD has far more emplanements.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32578 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

It would likely be from O'Hare, and even that is unlikely.

The market between the US and Chile is small. Nothing like Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo.

Most of the traffic goes to South Florida. Not even non-stops to New York City have been succsessful for both LanChile and Continental.

SCL's other two US non-stops - to Atlanta and Dallas - are both to huge megahubs that offer a plethora of conveinent connections to anywhere in the United States, and, even so, revenue is said to be weak passenger-wise (though cargo yields are excellent).

Chicago O'Hare offers much better connections than DC, and that is very important for SCL. I think UA could maybe make a go of IAD-SCL, but only at 3w or so.

In the end, though, I would not expect United back in SCL any time soon.



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User currently offlineFlyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

There was an article today in the local newspaper that Delta had a 75% rate on pax this year.

AN


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22681 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

75% may get it done for DL with cargo (purely speculative please don't flame me). I know that I had to buy a B class ticket even when booking a couple of months in advance to fly to SCL in January.


Why did UA leave SCL in 2003?


BTW... Shame on you Chilean photographers for not snapping the UA T7 when it was in Santiago a few weeks ago. I was hoping one of you caught a pic as you guys don't see very many of them- maybe from RG only?

[Edited 2004-12-08 23:35:59]


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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Just out of curiousity, did you fly up to ORD or IAD to get to EZE? I assume that you flew United.

User currently offlineFlyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3846 times:

Iowa744fan
I did EZE-ORD-LAX-IAD-EZE, on United First Class.
Great service, but poor seat.

AN


User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3804 times:

January 6, 2003 was the last SCL-MIA flight. Very sad, I knew a lot of the UA employees down there, especially when they had a F/A base.


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At its peak, UA was operating the 777 daily MIA-SCL and a 757 MIA-LIM-SCL with about 100 F/A's based in Santiago, about half were foreign national's (Chilean's), the remaining were UA F/A's that transferred or were new hires. There was a decent contigent of them that were French and transferred from UA's CDG base, as well.

But... I digress...

I think UA would do find from IAD or ORD to SCL with the benefit of cargo, not pax. Or, perhaps, UA could tag one of the EZE flights to SCL. CO didn't make money on EWR-SCL because it was a DC-10, way too large for the market at the time. The briefly operated EWR-LIM-SCL with the 757, but the through-flight was an unattractive option and added substantially to the costs, with little overall revenue contribution. The need(ed) EWR-LIM to perform at high load factor just to break even, the through flight bled some of the revenue away. This was also when CO started an "interchange" in LIM when IAH-LIM continued to LPB (for something like 6 weeks) and EWR-LIM ran the SCL tag.

DFW-SCL does fine for AA, especially with cargo. The dual-class 767 performs better than the three-class 767 did.


User currently offlineCjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Cubsrule,

What does number of emplanements, or number of local airports have to do with the amount of tea in China? If United decides to go back to SCL, they are going to do so from an airport where they can draw the GREATEST # of passengers, and east coast passengers are NOT going to fly WEST to Chicago, only to fly south, they are more likely to fly Delta (which is a short hop to Atlanta) before doing so. Most people are not aviation nuts like us on a.net, so they are going to take the EASIEST route possible to get to their destination.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22681 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

ORD has many more connection possibilities and comparable O&D to IAD. Basing the service out of ORD would allow many more people to take the flight without the need to double connect. If people need to connect, I would argue that they don't really care where they do it- within reason as no one flies IAD-SFO-FRA.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22681 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

Furthermore, launching from ORD would be smarter because it would open up many more new markets to one-stop ORD service than IAD would because of IAD's relative proximity to ATL.


I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineCjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Cubsrule,

Obviously you arent familiar with the fact that United MOVED their Latin operation from Miami to Washington Dulles, not O'Hare. So maybe United should stop flying to Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires because of our relative proximity to Atlanta also? Get real. If they relaunch Santiago, IT WILL BE from IAD.


User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

Has ORD-SCL ever been done before? I don't know if LAN ever served ORD, and I'm pretty sure that AA hasn't operated nonstops from ORD to SCL (I know UA hasn't, their flight was from MIA). Just wondering.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22681 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Obviously you arent familiar with the fact that United MOVED their Latin operation from Miami to Washington Dulles, not O'Hare. So maybe United should stop flying to Sao Paulo and Buenos Aires because of our relative proximity to Atlanta also? Get real. If they relaunch Santiago, IT WILL BE from IAD.

UA Southern Cone Schedule 2/1/05:
ORD-EZE-MVD
IAD-EZE-MVD
ORD-GRU-GIG
ORD-GRU-GIG

Yup, the whole South American schedule is out of IAD.



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

There hasn0t been any flight linking ORD-SCL.

There was during the early 90s IAD - SCL, made by UC during the old golden days.

I don't see UA coming back, I think the USA - Chile market is veryy well served, consider also that LAN not only has daily MIA, but also they have many other flights with stops in LIM, UIO, GYE, BOG, CCS, PUJ, HAV and CUN. If you want to consider also HUB trafic, you have RG, AR, TA and CM daily, so I don't see more non stop competition coming to Santiago.

Could be nice though to see those old Pan Am / Eastern flights SCL-EZE-MIA. I think that's the only chance. After all, STAR is the only alliance not linkind directly (even with stops) Chile and USA.

Just a thought...

Regards )( Arcano



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User currently offlineCjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

Cubsrule,

You should demand a refund from whatever school you attend. They have the reading part down, but comprehension is OBVIOUSLY lacking. To begin with I never stated that United's WHOLE South American schedule was out of Dulles. I said Dulles has been designated as their LATIN AMERICAN GATEWAY. Just as San Francisco is their Premier Asian gateway, even though they have a sizable Asian operation out of Chicago. And get your facts straight...the Montivideo and Rio continuations of the above flights (847 and 861) originate in Washington, NOT Chicago.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

I just got back from a trip to the US and on my way back IAH-EZE, I was talking to one of the flight crew and she told me that there is a strong rumor that they will be back to Santiago next year.

Based on that routing, why would someone from CO say anything about UA?



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

Burnsie-Judging by the fact that Continental does not serve Buenos Aires, Argentina, I think it is safe to say that he did not fly them.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22681 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

And get your facts straight...the Montivideo and Rio continuations of the above flights (847 and 861) originate in Washington, NOT Chicago.

...and the 752 that operates 861 from BOS to IAD magically transforms iteslf into a 763 for IAD-GRU-GIG. You should know that flight numbers mean nothing. Note that the connection is actually better in EZE and GRU coming off of the Chicago flights- 45 minutes vs. 2 hours in each case.


I would also argue that names mean nothing. Why would they start SCL service from IAD just because IAD is designated "Latin American Gateway?" That's the question I'm still looking for the answer to.



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User currently offlineCjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Cubsrule,

You are either deaf, dumb, stupid or all of the above. Connection time has NOTHING to do with said flights. The connection times from Chicago are shorter as to allow the passengers from Chicago who ARE continuing on to Montevideo and Rio a chance to connect to the planes that arrived from Washington. Is that plain enough for you?

And to the last portion of your thread, that IS the answer, it's just not the one you like.


User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 3387 times:

To be fair, I've never read a single press release that said IAD is United's gateway to Latin America. When they announced they were closing the Miami domicile and ending MIA-GRU/EZE, the also announced the reintroduction of ORD-EZE, effectively offering equal flights from IAD and ORD to EZE/GRU. Beyond Mexico and the Caribbean, which are served from ORD and IAD (and also DEN), Central America is covered primarily from LAX, then IAD and then ORD.

I don't think it's fair to say UA has one desigated gateway to Latin America. If they did, they clearly would have moved their small Latin American division to that hub, which they haven't (they're still based in Miami). Alternatively, someone could e-mail Ben Barrocas for clarification.

Here is United's press release announcing the Miami closure and addition of ORD-EZE:
http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,6862,51602-1,00.html

Press release of IAD-SJO inaugural, detailing UA's service from IAD to Latin America but no mention of IAD being the "gateway" to Latin America:
http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,6862,51665-1,00.html



User currently offlineCjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

LatinAviation,

Just because YOU havent seen it doesnt mean it isnt so. When I get time I will find the information I read indicating such and post it.


User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 25, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3254 times:

Yes, I would like to see it. I could be absolutely wrong and stand corrected. I do think I keep a pretty good pulse on airline happenings in the region and believe I would have noticed if United made Washington their Latin American gateway.

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