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User currently offlineCrberkley From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

I understand that UA is trying to cut cost by flying smaller aircraft transcontinental (757) and they claim that their first and biz sections are "premium service", however, I recently flew lax-jfk-lax in biz and I was not impressed at all. Does anyone else have any opinions as far as what's all the nonsense about?

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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Were you on the 757?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineCrberkley From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

YES..I WAS ON THE 757-

No big deal, I would rather take a 767-300er or 777 any day. I fly transcon quite often, and im considering taking my business to AA as they still fly the big boys.


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

I guess you just must be very difficult to please. It's still a commercial airline, not a Gulfstream.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3973 times:

Were you on a 3 class B757, or a 2 class B757?

Several flights have been operated by the 2 class B757 as many of the previously used older Boeing B767-200s have already been withdrawn. As of this week there are only 4 left.
The roll out of the 3 class B757s were slightly delayed leading to the need to use the 2 class aircraft for some flights.

Check out the p.s. product.

www.unitedps.com




From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineCrberkley From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

It was a 3 class 757- biz class. Don't get me wrong it was nice, but having flown Thai, Lufthansa and other major carriers, I did not see what the big deal was.

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

As I understand it, the "big deal" is the fact that you now get the international first- or business-class seats on a domestic flight... after all, flying LAX-JFK-LAX via FRA or BKK to get the comfortable seats (since you compare UA's PS-Service to LH and TG) would be a bit long, wouldn't it...  Big grin

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Excuse me, but I really think it's silly (and somehow childish) to say "I'll fly with AA because they fly the "big" boys"...

Does size really matter when it comes to airline trips (especially within the USA)?

I know I would rather fly a comfortable 757 over a crowded 767 anyday! I haven't experienced the UA PS service yet, but it seems quite good.

As always, an airline cannot satisfy everybody, and if indeed size matters to you, then go ahead and get on whichever carrier uses 777s across the US continent. (even if that means a plane filled up with 300 odd people!)


User currently offlineCrberkley From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

AlanUK~

Call me childish if you will, but I am a creature of comfort, so size in this case does matter.


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

"creature of comfort" maybe. But surely, the size of the SEAT/personal space is more important than the size of the metal tube you're in?! If you can get a seat with 50'' pitch and 35'' across on a 757, isn't that better than a 34'' pitch on a 767? With more people to board/deboard, more baggage to handle, more people sneezing around you!

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

Well if seat size matters, you would chose UA's p.s. product over AA's transcon product.

Here are the breakdowns comparing UAs B757 p.s. and AA B767-200s seats.

First
AA 62 inch pitch, 19 inch width
UA 68 inch pitch, 21 inch width (lie-flat seat)

Business
AA 50 inch pitch, 18.5 inch width
UA 54 inch pitch, 20 inch width

Econ
AA 32-34 inch pitch, 17.2 inch width
UA 34 inch pitch, 18 inch width





From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

I was waiting for someone to print a comparison of UA and AA on this route given that Thai and Lufthansa are not operating on this route....kind of seems like comparing apples to oranges.

Also, Thai may be nice on the three class 744s and longhaul flights, but there is nothing really special about Royal Orchid Class on the 2 class service that they fly a lot within Asia.


User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

I was on the United PS service and was unimpressed. I will stick to AA. AA doesnt seem smaller and you are just treated better. That is my opinion though.

User currently offlineCrberkley From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

AA Platnum~

I am glad you are in agreement with me.


User currently offlineRhsnyc From United States of America, joined May 2004, 95 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

UNBELIEVABLE! W O W!! The 757 ps is UNDENIABLY BETTER than the 767 and I don't wanna hear nuttin' about "that's your opinion" either. Some folks can just N E V E R be pleased about anything!!! DAMN!!

User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

>No big deal, I would rather take a 767-300er or 777 any day. I fly transcon quite often, and im considering taking my business to AA as they still fly the big boys.<

Well, you would not be getting the 763ER or the 777 on an AA transcon either. You would actually be getting a 762ER, which is not really all that much bigger than a 752 anyway, and the service and seats would not be the same. In fact, if you want a 763 LAX-JFK-LAX, you can take UA or DL (which will likely be a Song 757 with no F or J class soon). UA904 goes out everyday with 763 equipment.

Oh, and this new service is not about efficiency, if it was UA would have at least 180 seats on the plane. This is about limiting capacity and increasing yields



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

I fly Thai and LH all the time as well and I can say that the UA C class service measures fairly well against those products. In fact, prior to the recent improvements on the LH C class it was the worst C class in the world and I know alot of people who fly from Europe who purposely avoided LH for that reason. The TG service is very nice (nice people/food/wine & the fragrent thick wet towels are a great touch, UA should figure out how to get that from TG on their flights as well), however, the seats are not great. I just flew with them the other day and in terms of seat comfort, the UA C class seats are better.

I took the UA JFK/LAX 767 C class service in June this year on the 7AM flt and I have to say that it was one of the most pleasant flights that I've ever been on. The food and service was very good and the attendent was lovely. So, I guess that everyone has their own opnion, but UA is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.


User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

I would take UA's F or C any day. In the dark ages when we flew the 707's and DC-8's, there was no such thing as "widebody." If anything, the 757's with three classes of service harken back to the days of UA's Red, White, and Blue on the Trans-Con 8's. A class act then if there ever was one. Anyone remember?

With the modern amenities and the correct application, it will do wonders for the credibility of our US domestic carriers. Let's see where this goes......

Tbear


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

>In the dark ages when we flew the 707's and DC-8's<

You mean 720s of course?



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineTbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

On Trans-Con's, AA and TW flew the 707's. The 720's were flown by all three, but not on Trans-Con's. United had 720's - never 707's - and never fans on the 720, but they were strictly short/medium haul. United never had 707's. My reference was solely to the Trans-Con service.

User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

I used to be an executive platinum with UA and honestly ever since seven bad experiences in a row I stopped flying with them The one that finally changed my mind and my parents mind was traveling internationally with them. We brought the documents they told us to bring and they said that that was not adequate. We lost our paid for First Class seats... they said they would put us in First on the next Mexicana flight but they simply didnt do anything and First was full we later found out. Not only that but they completely deleted our reservation. It was gone when we went back to the airport to go back home....luckily though they did get us all back in first on the way home. But getting back on topic here I think if UA would outfit the 763's with that P.S. it would be amazing. Just make the whole plane lie flats....but unfortunatly I am not God so I have no control over that.

User currently offlineJfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Hey guys, lay off the guy for expressing an opinion.

He took ps and wasn't happy.

I don't know much about it--but I do know this. UAL has significantly cut their capacity in the transcon market and put their hopes on a small number of premium seats rather than a large number of affordable seats.

Since Song is now entering this market and that above thought by United is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what every other airline in the U.S. is doing right now . . . if I was a betting man I wouldn't put much money on UAL ps.

As a matter of fact, if I was a betting man I'd say a year from now the Transcon market will look much different---UA probably will be a weak or non existant player.

PJ


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3362 times:

>I used to be an executive platinum with UA<

Impressive, conisdering that even people who I know have flown 1 million lifetime miles on them have never hit a level called executive platinum. STAR Alliance does not even have a platinum level that I know of, just silver and gold.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3342 times:

I used to be an executive platinum with UA

...that's interesting, particularly seeing as they don't even offer such a recognition to us mortals  Nuts


User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 728 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks ago) and read 3315 times:

I guess that we'll just to see who's right: More seats for less, or less seats for a premium. Just because everyone is offering cheap seats doesn't mean they're right. The true test will be if their main competitor (AA) starts offering a similar service, then we'll know if this is the right strategy or not.

I'm for less seats at a premium. I don't understand why everyone thinks that flying should be cheap! It's a capital intensive industry that requires skilled labor, how is it that it can run so cheaply? Since even the LCCs are starting to squirm, seems to me that we have reached the nadir point on pricing and costs. Time for someone to start thinking about profits for a change. Since when did the USA stop being a capitalist country?


25 AlanUK : With a name like AAplatnumflier, our 13 to 15 year old friend is obviously a big fan of AA, but without adequate knowledge it seems. Platinum status i
26 JpetekYXMD80 : Hey AAplatnumflier? How come you're always offering first hand experience to threads, yet have no idea what youre talking about.
27 RoseFlyer : A P.S. 763 would be the same as the internationally configured 767s. UA has operated them on transcons in the past, but they have more capacity then U
28 CTHEWORLD : CRBerkeley....21-25 student and you state, "I fly transcon quite often, and im considering taking my business to AA as they still fly the big boys." H
29 JpetekYXMD80 : I really don't think that first and business passenger on PS would have any problem flying on the 757 whatsoever. It is back in economy where the wide
30 Usagypsy : JpetekYXMD80 is right.... business travellers or people who actually fly a lot do appreciate a smaller cabin and fewer people.... thats why LHs Privat
31 AF022 : business passengers also want laptop adapters, and UA p.s. has them even in economy. that is fantastic.
32 Bushcheney2004 : AAplatnumflier, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? You are 13-15, and USED to be a UA executive platinum holder. I am literally rolling on the floor and laughing
33 LegendDC9 : I think that many here are missing the point. the true battle for which UA rolled out the P.S. is not to "one up AA", the competition is coming from B
34 Usagypsy : Legend, I don't think you could have been on a PS flight because the actual PS planes are all 757s... I know that they started the PS service slightly
35 FSPilot747 : Dude, you're flying LAX-JFK. What do you expect? Your buddy's at American aren't exactly using "big boys" for transcon trips like that, either. They'r
36 AAplatnumflier : They may be doing that but they operate or did operate a 777 LAX-MIA and LAX-DFW amd LAX-MIA is transcontinental.
37 JpetekYXMD80 : They may be doing that but they operate or did operate a 777 LAX-MIA and LAX-DFW amd LAX-MIA is transcontinental. Um, those are hubs. UA operates 744/
38 Jc5280 : "I think that many here are missing the point. the true battle for which UA rolled out the P.S. is not to "one up AA", the competition is coming from
39 Post contains images Ual777contrail : YES..I WAS ON THE 757- No big deal, I would rather take a 767-300er or 777 any day. I fly transcon quite often, and im considering taking my business
40 Laca773 : I personally think you UA is doing a great thing by offering the p.s. on these routes. It's a niche market, and I say "hats off to them" because of th
41 Bushcheney2004 : AAplatnumflier, do I sense some hesitation of you answering some of my questions?
42 Post contains images American762 : I am flying JFK-LAX-LAS and back in April with my father on Business. And have taken the trip 3 times a year for at least 5 years. We're always in Bus
43 WesternA318 : "Excuse me, but I really think it's silly (and somehow childish) to say "I'll fly with AA because they fly the "big" boys"... Does size really matter
44 Ual777contrail : " We were considering taking p.s. but as some are saying, it's not worth it. So I'll stick to AA for the time being". Daddy makes that call JR not you
45 Post contains images OH-LGA : It's worth noting also that P.S. service aircraft fulfills what United is trying to market to. SFO/LAX-JFK is a niche market, with relatively high O&D
46 Aifos : What a waste of time! This discussion is the Perfect Example of what Airliners.net has become. A place where a bunch of teenagers pose as world travel
47 Uadc8contrail : AIFOS, the solution is......listen to aaplatinumflyer,nwafa and burnsie28 and just shut this pig down.....the thought of anyone actually buying a tick
48 American762 : UAL 777 CONTRAIL: First of all, "Daddy" hardly makes the call. He tells me to figure out a flight that fits his time schedule and I book it, and the c
49 CTHEWORLD : American762, They referred to Concorde as such because that was its name, not The Concorde. Concorde never "The" in front of it. Also, the French refe
50 1millionflyer : CTHEWORLD YOU ARE AN AWESOME NEW MEMBER THANK YOU. I fly 130-200 segments a year, 1200 segments in the past 7 years. I have also been a licenced pilot
51 Mm320cap : American 762, You challenge UAL 777 CONTRAIL with the assertion that if he had flew his own plane he would understand what he is talking about. I chal
52 JBLUA320 : I was also on the P.S. 757, and was on the 3-class just last week. I took P.S. one way, and flew back to EWR instead of JFK, and thus had a regular 75
53 CTHEWORLD : JBLU, On B6 you also get a flight to LGB, not LAX, no connecting flights on to Europe, points that can't be used in a global alliance, no opportunity
54 JBLUA320 : CTHEWORLD, I'm not saying they go after the same client base. And by the way, jetBlue offers an average of 33", with 32" in rows 1-11 and 34" in all r
55 Wdleiser : United does not have the Platinum Gold bling bling that AAPlatnumflier talks about, they do have Premier Executive and I think possibly something that
56 Usagypsy : People on this thread keep making comparisons with B9, HP and talk about the economy plus service on the PS flights..... FOLKS, that is NOT who UA are
57 Kanebear : AA UA Gold Premier Platimum Premier Executive Executive Platinum Premier Executive 100K (often shortened to UA1K or 1K) Mileage qualification levels a
58 SegmentKing : Wow.. when I was 13, we traveled a lot, but never enough to become "Executive Platinum" at United... maybe PREMIER. I think I flew maybe once or twice
59 American762 : I say one thing that some find "weird" about an airplane, and everyone lashes into me. You all have to calm down. As for Mm320cap, I never once said I
60 CTHEWORLD : American762, I was only making light of the fact that there are a bunch of young kids on these boards spewing crap, exaggerating and basically talking
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