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Air France Back Nonstop To SCL Next Winter  
User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7404 posts, RR: 57
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

It was initially scheduled for this winter.... But finally, Air France will re-open its nonstop CDG-SCL at the end of October 2005, for the next winter 2005/2006 season.

Air France will keep 6 x Weekly flight to SCL. 3 of them will be NONSTOP, the 3 others will make a stop at EZE.
All the flights will be operated by a B772ER :

CDG - SCL

-2-4--7 CDG 23:15 - SCL 09:45 - AF400 NONSTOP - B772ER
1-3--6- CDG 23:15 - SCL 12:25 - AF416 1 STOP EZE - B772ER

SCL - CDG

1-3--6- SCL 17:55 - CDG 11:50 - AF403 NONSTOP - B772ER
-2-4--7 SCL 14:50 - CDG 11:05 - AF417 1 STOP EZE - B772ER.

SCL-CDG is 6292nm/11652km/7240mi and will be the longest flight of Air France's network.


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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3928 times:


Now those are good news indeed; kind of surprised me, however, the fact that the 777s are going to continue on the SCL route instead of the tacitly expected A340s.

Nice to see someone other than IB putting some attention to the Latin America - Europe market.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Good to see them return nonstop and good to see them keep a higher frequency with some extra one-stop flights rather than just the three nonstops like last time around, but why don't they just go for daily flights into SCL by extending one more EZE flight into SCL? And what will the EZE aircraft do on the days the flight does not continue into SCL? Just sit on the ground in EZE, or is AF contemplating a return to MVD?


-2-4--7 CDG 23:15 - SCL 09:45 - AF400 NONSTOP - B772ER
1-3--6- SCL 17:55 - CDG 11:50 - AF403 NONSTOP - B772ER


I think there's something wrong with the days of operation here. If the flight goes outbound on days 2, 4, 7, than it should return inbound on days 1, 3, 5 rather than 1, 3, 6.



User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 374 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

Air France schedules from October 31st, 2005 are the following and I don´t see anytyhing wrong. They splitted its daily SCL-EZE-CDG flight AF417, into the following, and added 3 nonstops:

AF 410 CDG-EZE B777 -2-45-7
AF 411 EZE-CDG B777 1-3-56-

AF 416 CDG-EZE-SCL B777 1-3--6-
AF 417 SCL-EZE-CDG B777 -2-4--7

AF 400 CDG-SCL B777 -2--5-7
AF 403 SCL-CDG B777 1-3--6-

Buenos Aires keeps daily and Santiago will be 3 nonstop + 3 via EZE, loosing one frequency but gaining seats.

Hope to see the same by other airlines such as LH. We'll see.


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Thanks God!

It will be interesting to see LA and IB reaction before this new compeitor; after all during the last non stop SCL-CDG, Paris became the second most important destination from Chile, so I think FRA will lose some of the share.

What would do LH about it?

Good for AF, siempre aqui...

Regards )( Arcano



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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

@Arcano:

LH has to face sooner or later the reality. AF/KLM is the new leader in Europe and LH and BA will have to accept that they are one step behind. They can't serve all destinations in the same way AF/KLM can.
There is a gap, and it can only be closed by further consolidation in Europe, but I don't see it in the short term where this consolidation for LH and BA should come from.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3511 times:

LH has to face sooner or later the reality. AF/KLM is the new leader in Europe and LH and BA will have to accept that they are one step behind. They can't serve all destinations in the same way AF/KLM can.


...Nor it seems they are extremely interested in doing so.

LH is undoubtlessly focused on other worldwide regions at the moment, which have performed good enough to keep the airline tied to them, and placing bets each time more to similar destinations... (e.g. India).

Like it or not, they have seen better results in just keeping flights to what is worth in South America. GRU and EZE, as the largest cities in the region and the number one premium, high-yielding markets. GIG and SCL as their respective tag-ons to cater for lower-yielding, yet significant demand; and CCS, destination full of wealthy people, lots of german colonies and a fair amount of VFR and leisure traffic that is generated. Pretty similar situation in BA's case, much more critical however with only 3 destinations in the region as of February 2005.

No pride here. Not a question of facing anything nor being disturbed by falling one step behind if you ask me. AF/KLM have simply managed to succesfully work their way into this continent after IB (who has things a lot easier) and have been clever -or lucky- enough to adequately respond to the market's needs with the right aircraft configuration, frequencies and publicity among others. They are interested.



SOUTHAMERICA



User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

My dear friend Federico, it's not lucky at all- IB betted for the Latin American market in its "Nuevo Plan Director" (1999-2000) when destinations such as LAX, YYZ, NRT, etc was "sacrificed" to benefit with a daily & direct flight the air links between Madrid and the major Latin American capitals.

At the end, this strategy has showed itself like the most intelligent, despite destinations like LAX or NRT was profitables.

The AF-KL group is the unique which can competing with IB on the South American Market at the moment, and this news is a good news for the Chilean traveller- I wonder why AF called off the non-stop SCL-CDG service.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Air France schedules from October 31st, 2005 are the following and I don´t see anytyhing wrong.

If you look closely, you will see a slight difference between the original post:

-2-4--7 CDG 23:15 - SCL 09:45 - AF400 NONSTOP - B772ER

and what you posted:

AF 400 CDG-SCL B777 -2--5-7

I guess your version is the correct one. Just a small mistake in the origina post though.



User currently offlineFlyfirst From Chile, joined Nov 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

I can see BA returning to SCL in the future.
Already upgraded the EZE-SAO-LHR with a 747-400, so maybe a 4x 777 SCL-EZE-LHR.

AN


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Anxebla,


It's not lucky at all- IB betted for the Latin American market in its "Nuevo Plan Director" (1999-2000) when destinations such as LAX, YYZ, NRT, etc was "sacrificed" to benefit with a daily & direct flight the air links between Madrid and the major Latin American capitals.


It was the most logical thing to do, and if you call that a "bet", then it was a bet they were doing knowing the would most certainly win it.

Ex-colonies generally lead up to succesful and frequent services, and IB has had the luck that their country [Spain] has lots of them. In this line they definitely have had it easier than AF, and that was what I was referring to.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Ex-colonies generally lead up to succesful and frequent services, and IB has had the luck that their country [Spain] has lots of them. In this line they definitely have had it easier than AF, and that was what I was referring to.

Very good point, SOUTHAMERICA. But IB wasnt the only airline to capitalise on ex-colonial markets. KL runs basically a monopoly between AMS-PNB, and fares are outrageously high, and the service is horrible. AF does the same in West Africa, with highly profitable operations to destinations such as BMK, OUA, CKY, and LFW. The same example could go to BA in East Africa.

However, IB is lucky to have all of Spain ex-colonies (well, almost all, they also had Equatorial Guinea in West Africa - and IB does run flights there!) in such a great continent as LatAm!  Smile

Rgs,


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Are there any Skyteam flights or codeshare flights from SCL to the South Pacific?

User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

No, there's not any SkyT flight, Richardw
OneWorld is the unique alliance in having Trans-South Pacific services.

Fede: The former British Empire had half world in the century XIX, and LH (with no former Germans colonies, maybe Namibia and they lost it after First World War) is so big as BA is, or even more... then the Colonies issue is important but it's not capital.BTW... I think it's natural and logic IB is the main European carrier in serving Latin America

Flyfirst: I'm afraid you're wrong. BA wants abandoning Latin America. Maybe (and I say "maybe") they will keep MEX and GRU, but no more... especially if there is a merger IB/BA.

But I wonder why AF called off 2 years ago the direct fly SCL-CDG




User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Anxebla,


I think it's natural and logic IB is the main European carrier in serving Latin America

I agree with this and let's leave it here. I think I've maid myself clear enough.


---------------------------------------------

Hardiwv,


IB wasnt the only airline to capitalise on ex-colonial markets .... The same example could go to BA in East Africa.


There are tons of these examples, you're forgetting British Airways' extensive network from the United Kingdom to the United States (their largest ex-colony) Canada and India.

Also TAP Air Portugal, who operates a ton of weekly flights to Brazil and has services to Mozambique as well.

This works the other way around too. The "musts" for any decently large Latin American carrier are flights to MIA and to MAD, Varig with their flights to Portugal and US carriers with their prime European destinations being London.


BTW, remember that Latin America is not exactly a continent, but a cultural, arguably subjective concept.


Best Regards,



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

Also TAP Air Portugal, who operates a ton of weekly flights to Brazil and has services to Mozambique as well.

You're right. But dont forget the other Portuguese speaking (lusophone) colonies in Africa: Angola, Guinea Bissau, Cabo Verde, Sao Tome and Principe and Mozambique. TAP makes a lot of money in these oil-rich destinations!

...Varig with their flights to Portugal...

Here I'm not so sure...RG's operations to LIS are very limited (daily flights GIG-GRU-LIS only). RG has much bigger operations in FRA and CDG, for example. LIS in terms of yield is also behind destinations such as LHR, and MXP. But this because Brazil is a specific case, as it received a huge wave of immigrants from Germany, Italy, Holland and even Japan etc...

But your argument about flag airlines and operations in markets of their countries' past colonical territories does make all the sense, and is exemplified by IB, AF, BA, KL, TP, etc...

Rgs,



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