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American Ends 6 Routes  
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6789 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10076 times:

Don't think I have seen this on A.net... if so, please disregard...

American Eagle is ending San Jose to San Luis Obispo service on January 9th 2005. On the same date the airline will suspend its St Louis to San Juan service indefinitley and on the same date American will end service from Boston to San Jose CA, Boston to Seattle and Ft Lauderdale to Caracas and Santo Domingo.

Why are they ending STL-SJU?


Aiming High and going far..
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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9807 times:

Why are they ending STL-SJU?

IINM, the route was inherited from TWA and no longer fits into AA's plans.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9742 times:

Dropping the routes out of FLL makes sense, because of competition from B6. The same holds true for the routes out of BOS, although I could see BOS-SEA return as a summer-only flight to feed cruise ships to Alaska. AA does fly ORD-YVR from mid-June to the end of September.

I don't get dropping the STL-SJU route, especially in January. No one else competes on that route, unless there is a lot of traffic on WN from STL to Florida, and then connecting to SJU on other carriers.

But you would think that AA would at least fly that route until March or April.



User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9596 times:

Dropping the routes out of FLL makes sense, because of competition from B6.

When did B6 start flying to CCS and SDQ ?  Nuts


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4433 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9569 times:
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When did B6 start flying to CCS and SDQ ?

He's means only BOS-FLL.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9327 times:

Still wondering when AAEagle is going to drop DFW-GGG. That would allow them to get rid of a couple of Saabs, and save the hassle of low-profit route.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9238 times:

, and save the hassle of low-profit route.

Why is this any lower profit than any other short turboprop route to DFW? If loads are low, they should can the route, but last time I looked, the planes were pretty full to GGG.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9198 times:

The BOS-SEA makes sense since they codeshare with AS anyway and can free up an aircraft for a more profitable route.

User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9162 times:

Where's GGG? My cursor doesn't tell me. I would guess it's somewhere near DFW.

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

GGG = Longview/Gladewater TX.

It's east of DFW, not far from the LA/TX state line.


N670UW


User currently offlineAA-SAN From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

What is their plan for the MX they have been doing in SBP? Are they closing shop, or are we going to start seeing the jungle jets on the LAX-SBP run???

User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8875 times:

Another piece of TWA dismanted =)

Couldn't help but add that!

Moman



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8836 times:

Last time I had heard, STL-SJU was a pretty terrible performer (this was around last march tho). I've speculated before on here about it being dropped, and it certainly doesn't surrpsie me. Given its a hub route, I wouldn't be shocked if it reappears in the future. In the future maybe Cancun will go daily, it certainly has the loads to do so.

User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8750 times:

Something tells me we'll see an announcement soon from B6 ... maybe this will encourage us to start connecting some dots in BOS.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8702 times:

Most of these route cuts have been discussed before, nothing new.

FLL-CCS is the biggest surprise, loads were good. It may operate during the summer travel period, from what I hear.

FLL-BOS is not being discontinued as originally planned. It remains.

FLL-SDQ is gone due to new lowfare compieition. The flight will move to MIA.

STL-SJU is not being discontinued, just suspended until peak travel periods. It will operate at very limited times.

Also, with SJC-SBP gone, there will be one daily ERJ on the LAX-SBP route.



a.
User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8591 times:

Spitit not Jet Blue is on the FLL-SDQ run. I'm glad AA is maintaining the FLL-BOS route. That is route that needs at lease one fulls ervice carrier flying it. Currently the competetion is provided by B6 and Song to BOS and WN and NK to Providence.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8404 times:

San Jose and Seattle have taken big hits lately. It is clear that AA has abandoned focus city plans in SJC, but frequent flyers in Seattle are probably pretty miffed, considering how much of the operation AA has cut recently. If I were up there, I'd consider switching to AS...

Aaron G.


User currently offlinePlaaneboy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8279 times:

FLL-CCS is the biggest surprise, loads were good. It may operate during the summer travel period, from what I hear.

I'm not surprised. This was a route Peter Dolara wanted to stay a step ahead of LCCs and not yield FLL to them. FLLCCS only made money during the Christmas Holiday period and broke even during peak summer travel (AUG-SEP). The rest of the year it lost money. The loads are okay, but the yields are terrible. Couple that with the fact that it was cannibalizing the very profitable MIACCS route, and you have pretty good reasons to cancel the route.

Venezuela to the U.S. is the only market in Latin America that is dominated by Latin Point of Sale (approx. 80% of passengers on CCS and MAR are beginning their trips in Venezuela). Many people in Venezuela, and in Latin America for that matter, aren't as familiar with FLL as they are MIA. Even though FLL is only 17 miles from MIA, people in Venezuela preferred to travel to MIA despite the fact that in some cases FLL was more convenient for them.





User currently offlineJfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3626 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Eagle has no plans to retire the remaining Saabs in the near future. This is because we can't serve many of the smaller cities out of DFW with the RJs.

While it seems like a good idea to retire an aircraft type, we would be losing several markets.

PJ


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6450 times:

NOOOOOOO! NOT STL TO SJU!!!!! Please tell me it isn't true!!!! I want it much more often, not just once in a while.


Fly one thing; Fly it well
User currently offlineBOSMAD From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 26 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

Great, more cuts for BOS. While I have no inside information and do not know the economics of it, I was on BOS-SEA at least 3 round trips a year. Flights always full. Lots of business travelers, as should be expected between these city pairs.

BOS-SJC is usually once a year for me. Largely business travellers. AA was the only nonstop on this route.

More and more reason to forget loyalty to AA. It seems like they have less and less interest in serving the BOS market.


User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6226 times:

B6 doesn't compete in the FLL to Carrebbean markets!
AA had some nice loads but the yields were LOOOOOW, especially into SDQ! If they believe they can move the a/c to more profitable routes, more power to them. They did announce new service out of BOS and ORD to the UK so it doesn't make this announcement look all that bad.
Plus, with the spring/summer scheduled service from US and NK from FLL to all the vacation destinations south of there, they will not yield anything anyway.
I think that SONG will also start FLL-the carrebbean and CUN.
SR



W N = my Worst Nightmare!!!!!
User currently offlineTungd From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

Jfklganyc,

Just wondering...why can't the Saabs (34 pax) be replaced with the ERJ-135s (37 pax) for the commuter markets? Is it economics, airfield (runway) requirements, or both? I'm not in the industry, but it's my guess that even the smallest RJs are much less profitable on the 100-200 nm routes the Saabs typically fly. And since the remaining Saabs aren't really that old, why not make full use of them?

Your thoughts?


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

If AA was smart, they would keep the saabs out of DFW, and purchase Q400's to replace the RJ's on their routes to AMA, LBB, OKC, LIT, SHV, HOU, etc. This would save them a lot of money, and allow them to move the RJ's to higher yielding routes, or sell them on the open market.


"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineTungd From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

You're right about saving money with props, Ejmmsu, but passengers will always think of any plane with a propeller as "old-fashioned" and sometimes even scary; it probably wouldn't even matter if the plane rolled out of the factory last week, all the seats were first-class sleepers, etc... I guess you could call it "propaphobia," but the fact that turboprops will always be more efficient on very short-haul flights is irrelevant to the general flying public. Also, the local governments of the small-metro-areas-that-think-they're-big-cities (AMA, LBB, MAF) control their "international" airports, and only kicking and screaming will they allow their all-jet service to be compromised. I'm surprised AMA has allowed prop service to DEN, but that's probably the only option they had...several years before AAEagle began flying RJs, the AA mainline jet routes were replaced with ATRs into LBB and MAF, but the Amarillo city council worked out a deal w/ AA to continue Fokker 100 service; the city paid AA to continue all-jet service mainly because of the "pride" factor.

25 MAH4546 : AA had some nice loads but the yields were LOOOOOW, especially into SDQ! Yields were low on SDQ and not great on CCS. FLL-PAP has done very well, thou
26 Ramerinianair : BOSMAD, The BOS-SJU flight was really mostly business men??? I figured that it was mostly cruise goers and other vacationers. Any particular reason fo
27 FlewGSW : New rumor. American Eagle wants to have talks with Mesa about swapping some Eagle 37 and 44 seater ERJs for Mesa's 50 seat ERJs. Also, to operate an R
28 N1120a : >When did B6 start flying to CCS and SDQ ?American Eagle wants to have talks with Mesa about swapping some Eagle 37 and 44 seater ERJs for Mesa's 50 s
29 FlewGSW : Do you mean their 50 seat CRJs? No, their ERJ-145s http://www.mesa-air.com/fleet/erjet.asp
30 Ejmmsu : I think AAeagle has not been pleased with their CR7's. I doubt they would do anything to pick up any CRJ's, espescially the CR2's.
31 AERoc : I do agree with you Ejmmsu about AE not being pleased with the CR7. Those things have more MECH problems than any other plane in AE's fleet including
32 LH423 : The BOS-SJU flight was really mostly business men??? SJC, not SJU. SJC=San José, California, not San Juan, Puerto Rico (SJU). SJU remains with a few
33 MAH4546 : The SEA route makes sense. AS started it then AA augmented. AA had BOS-SEA well before Alaska Airlines did. AA did suspend the route in January 2002,
34 Ejmmsu : Those are really good questions AERoc. Airports like SPS (my home airport) have some very interesting issues. You are right about being way too close
35 Ei2ksea : Might AS go to a third daily SEA-BOS flight now that AA have dropped the route? Would sure love to see some more eskimos in Logan...Perhaps the loss o
36 Sjsu2sjcaa777 : Are all these closures final or seasonal, and is there any possibility of sjc getting some more routes like back in the good old days will destination
37 NW7E7 : ejmmsu Hey, look at NW on the MEM-LIT route. They are using A319's and DC-9's and it's only 127 miles away and are making tons of money. If AA were to
38 Luisde8cd : B6 does serve SDQ, but not CCS. Yes but not from FLL as we were talking about.
39 LH423 : AA had BOS-SEA well before Alaska Airlines did They and United both started the route. UA ducked out early on, AA soldiered on for a bit longer, but b
40 Ejmmsu : I was thinking about using a 70 passenger turboprop with the same capacity as the RJ's
41 Tommy767 : Does this end AA's presence at FLL as a focus city?
42 Flywithken : Isnt GGG covered in the Essential air service act?
43 Jcs17 : Damn, AA is ending STL-SJU service. I can remember the day when I was boarding a flight bound for ATL from SJU on Delta and a TW 747 Classic was parke
44 Lrockeagle : Eagle hates the CR7. I'm staring at one right now here in LIT with the #1 engine thrust reverser stuck open. (no camera!) When I left Eagle last month
45 PSU.DTW.SCE : Lrock, what are you talking about? AA flew MD-80's into LIT long after the flight 1420 incident. Most people have completely forgetten about it I'm su
46 BOSMAD : So, if I understand correctly, not only is AA dropping BOS-SEA, but they are ending the codeshare with Alaskan on this route as well? In essence, then
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