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GLA-Germany: Whats The Problem?  
User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3389 times:

Can anyone explain why currently there are no direct flights from GLA to Germany? Routes in the past seemed to be popular, Germany is one of the biggest countries in Europe and is Europe's leading manufacturer, yet not even GLA-FRA exists.

Anyone have any ideas.


Neutrality means that u don't really care cos the struggle goes on even when ur not there, blind and unaware
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User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

Prestwick and Ryanair to Germany is the obvious problem I think

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

As By738 says, a lot of airlines are probably scared of going head to head with Ryanair operating from PIK.
Lack of slots at FRA stops LH from starting a GLA-FRA service I believe



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineJat74l From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 618 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3341 times:

And EDI is so close anyway. I'm amazed that CO serve both.

John



I like trains just as much as planes but trains don't like the Atlantic!
User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

GLA has long been rumoured as the next Lufthansa destination from either FRA or MUC. I remember the Regional Manager UK of Lufthansa going on the record with that. I don't think it has anything to do with Ryanair and their PIK serivce but rather believe that Lufthansa is worried that their EDI-FRA service might be cannibalized.

User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

I do not think that their EDI service would be compromised too much. BA offer indirect services via BHX,BRS etc and you can fly BD GLA-MAN then onto Germany. EDI is obviously the easiest option available to people in the Glasgow area but a direct service would surely be profitable and welcomed.


Neutrality means that u don't really care cos the struggle goes on even when ur not there, blind and unaware
User currently offlineBmi330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

Chill people GLA- Germany is going to happen soon Globespan will be in there in a year or two I would think. Cant see LH at GLA now but I would prefer GS anyways. It is strange thought that there is no LH or AF at GLA.

P.S GLA is back as being Scotlands fastest growing airport for the third month in a row after edi being faster for a good long while SO well done BAA Glasgow and we are getting direct flights to Lithuania x5 a week in 2005.


User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

GLA at one point in the late 1980s even had a Lufthansa service to DUS, operated by CItyline Brasilias.

As for the "direct" flights to Germany from EDI and GLA via MAN or BHX, they are advertised and sold as such (and statistically covered by the CAA). According to the CAA stats they attract only very few passengers.

Not sure if a Flyglobespan-like operation would be what is needed as it would be a LCC-style once daily flight. There are daily Ryanair flights from PIK to the DUS and FRA areas through NRN and HHN catering for the cost-conscious clientele. I think a twice or thrice daily CanRJ to FRA or MUC would make sense, so as to offer a) connecting flights and b) a day return option for business travellers.


User currently offlineRunway31 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

There is no problem, Germany is well served from Prestwick with Hahn and Neiderhein with Lubeck coming on line in March.

The reason there is no LH or AF at Glasgow is that they cannot compete with Ryanair at Prestwick.

[Edited 2004-12-11 11:43:12]

User currently offlineGustyOrange From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

There is a real problem for travellers who don't like being treated like sh*t.

I have not, and never will fly Ryanair. I'm sure there are many more people like me.

Hopefully LH will see what they are missing out on and return to GLA shortly.

Gusty


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

LH (Operated by British Midland/Business Air) used to fly a daily GLA-FRA flight, this then got reduced to weekends only before being cut I believe. The service used Bae 146-200s.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

If LH can make a daily NCL-DUS work, then I am undoubtedly sure LH could make services from Glasgow to Munich, Frankfurt, Hamburg and Dusseldorf work. CRJs all round.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineGustyOrange From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

You are spot on HUYfan.

FRA would be a real winner I'd guess, the only problem appears to be the slots.

Gusty


User currently offlineBy188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2937 times:

LH Have operated a GLA-FRA service in the past using a boeing 737, this was in the mid 90's IIRC. This was before Ryanair started PIK-Germany services, so if it couldnt work then well it may not work now.


next flights : BD LHR-TXL J, FR SXF-STN Y, SN BRU-LHR Y, MA LHR-BUD Y, BA BUD-LHR J, BA LCY-SNN-JFK J, BA JFK-LHR J, BA
User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

They wouldn't want to compromise their EDI service, they aren't even keen on anyone starting EDI-MUC for fear of it damaging their FRA service apparently.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

They could always switch their EDI services ver to GLA.  Big grin


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

They could always switch their EDI services ver to GLA

What's it worth?  Big grin


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

ScottishLaddie, GLA has a much larger catchment area  Wink/being sarcastic


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User currently offlineRunway31 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

I would have thought that the catchment area for any of the airports within the central belt would have been most of Scotland as they are all easy to reach in a decent time.

User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

GLA's catchment area is EDI's and vice versa.  Big grin More people want to come to EDI. It's not all about outbound, you get inbound visitors as well you know.

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

More people want to come to EDI
Must be for the drugs or gay bars or something  Big grin



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Here we go again. Yawn Yawn Yawn

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Why should Ryanair be a problem for Lufthansa ?

Lufthansa has not axed their services from Frankfurt to London, Barcelona, Rome, Venice, Pisa, Stockholm, Oslo, Riga, Gothenburg, Milan or Bologna just because Ryanair have begun to serve those destinations (or pretend to....) from Frankfurt Hahn. Both airlines certainly serve different markets, particularily if you have two tertiary airports as remote as PIK and HHN and a once daily flight compared to two or three daily flights with a CanRJ from GLA to FRA.

The main problem at FRA are slots, they are so precious that Lufthansa certainly has better use for them than for a short-haul route that serves a market that to some extent is served from EDI already and that would syphon off pax from bmi's connecting traffic through LHR and MAN.


User currently offlineRunway31 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

VFW.

While you may consider Prestwick and Hahn remote I do not. I flew the route earlier in the week and I live reasonably near to Prestwick and I was going to Cochem south of Frankfurt. The airport pairing was correct for me. On returning, I was at home within 1 hour 15 minutes of the scheduled arrival time, that's fine by me. 32 miles from the centre of Glasgow is not remote.

The 2 million passengers using Prestwick this year do not seem to consider it to remote nor do the millions using Hahn. By the way the burgers in the Hahn terminal grill were very good and reasonably priced - recommended.

While the passenger numbers between the destinations you named may be able to handle the number of flights offered, the Germany - Scotland route does not. Lufthansa left Glasgow a number of years ago as they could not make money on the route. Why would they do so now?. Let them come and offer any route they think is feasible, if it is the right product at the right price, passengers will use it, if not they won't.

As you wrote, the full price carriers can get their passengers to Frankfurt via London, Manchester etc, without adding to the costs for them. Their passengers pay additional costs, require additional time and extra inconvenience but if that is what they want more power to their elbow.



User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

I feel neglected as someone who wants to fly direct from Glasgow but not on the likes of Ryanair. I want a full service airline and everything that goes with it. There is a distinct lack of it available. I would be encouraged to travel to other destinations if there were direct flights. I dont like the hassle of travelling at least 50 mins to PIK there and back, or having to change and transfer at LHR.

25 ScottishLaddie : I feel neglected as someone who wants to fly direct from Glasgow but not on the likes of Ryanair. I want a full service airline and everything that go
26 GKirk : ScottishLaddie, Edinburgh only has one long haul scheduled flight for a reason. As Glasgow only has a small number of long haul scheduled flights. Sco
27 Runway31 : If you don't like the idea of travelling 50 minutes to get to Prestwick, how long does it take you to get to Glasgow ?.
28 ScottishLaddie : Scotland is an extremly small market, which to be honest I dint think can expand further. That's a bit extreme. Nobody's saying the market is huge, bu
29 Runway31 : The market is bigger than the 5 mil Scottish population. On some of the Ryanair destinations, inbound passengers account for 75-80% of the passenger t
30 GustyOrange : IT takes me 10 mins to get to GLA and 50 to get to PIK. On top of that PIK has no air bridges, the terminal is a toilet etc, etc... BAA messed up big
31 Runway31 : Well Gusty take your direct scheduled European flights from Glasgow. Oh I forgot you don't have many.
32 GustyOrange : R31, For a 50 yr old you have a lot of growing up to do. Gusty
33 Runway31 : Gusty, Have a read at your post before making comments about growing up.
34 GustyOrange : I'm signing out of this thread. I'm not going to fan the flames of a silly debate by continuing to reply to the intellectually challenged. Gusty
35 Bmi330 : Children calm down! Glasgow dosnet have loads of euro city flights by carriers like BA, AF and LH because everyone want to go on there hols to spain a
36 GKirk : ScottishLaddie: but Edinburgh is the 2nd most popular tourist and business destination in the UK, Im gonna say bollocks to that. More business are in
37 Post contains images ScottishLaddie : You're so spiteful towards Edinburgh, GKirk. Manchester. Edinburgh is bigger than Manchester. Yields are strong on most flights into EDI, down to it t
38 Bmi330 : The edi evening news or Scotsman are not reliable sources. Please don't associate Glasgow with Edinburgh as I don't want Glasgows good name dragged th
39 Post contains links and images ScottishLaddie : Im gonna say bollocks to that. More business are in Birmingham and Manchester than Glasgow and Edinburgh combined. A quick Google search brought up: Y
40 Bmi330 : the same airline that names airports 100 milies away from the city that name sure. Great sorce was it called Gla east by any chance lol.
41 By738 : Edinburgh is bigger than Manchester ???? In just one industry ( banking ) perhaps but population wise there is not much in it (UK Census figures 2001
42 Post contains images Lennymuir : Great sorce was it called Gla east by any chance lol So, PIK is GLA South? This could be a really good read, but you guys must stick to the question.
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