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Ho Chi Minh City But Still SGN?  
User currently offlineDahawaiian From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 228 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 2401 times:

Does anyone know why the airport code is still SGN?

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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 2394 times:

Well, might be because the only place where it is called Ho Chi Minh City is on maps and government documents.

Also, changing an airport code is a long and expensive process people would rather avoid. It is the reason Denver International does not have the code DIA like most thought it would, rather the same DEN as Stapleton had



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User currently offlineJc5280 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 530 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 2393 times:

Think of all of the aviation charts, maps, that would have to be changed! And then you have numerous computer systems and such. Its mind boggling.

I do not know the details on this, but are there airports that have gone through the process of changing a code? Once a code is chosen, does the airport have to stick with it?

I remember a while back FAT (Fresno, CA) wanted to change their name to FYI (Fresno Yosemite Intl)....never happened though.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 2384 times:

but are there airports that have gone through the process of changing a code?

....yup, plenty:

JFK used to be IDL
HND used to be TYO
GMP used to be SEL
ITM used to be OSA

...etc


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 2383 times:

>I remember a while back FAT (Fresno, CA) wanted to change their name to FYI (Fresno Yosemite Intl)....never happened though.<

Fresno is called Fresno Yosemite International now, but the code is still FAT (which stood for Fresno Air Terminal). Again, they wanted to change it because of the connotations FAT gives, but they found it would be way too difficult and expensive



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User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 2365 times:
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Like SGN, some Chinese airports still have codes that stand for their old names:

PEK - Beijing (Peking)
NKG - Nanjing (Nanking)
CAN - Guangzhou (Canton)
KWL - Guilin (Kweilin)


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 5 days ago) and read 2362 times:

JFK used to be IDL
HND used to be TYO
GMP used to be SEL
ITM used to be OSA


JFK seems to be the exception in this list. The codes for TYO, SEL and OSA were split because each of these cities got more than one airport. TYO split into NRT and HND, SEL split into GMP and ICN and OSA split into KIX and ITM. SEL's still used to denote Kimpo though.

In addition to SGN, there's lots of cities where the names have changed, but the airport code's remained the same:

BDQ, BOM, CCJ, CCU, COK, FRU, GAU, GOJ, KGD, KIV, LBD, LED, LYP, MAA, RGN, SVX, TGD, VOG


User currently offlineNeptunescar From Maldives, joined Dec 2003, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Vietnam Airlines usually use HCM for luggage tags on domestic VN flights to Ho Chi Minh, but intl ones are always labeled with SGN.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Its interesting, I have visited VietNam and everyone there refers to Ho Chi Hinh City as Saigon, even youngsters born after the war.....the name change was a political move that has never really caught on with the polulation.

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Is Saigon the original Vietnamese name or was it given by the French colonial administration?

I didn't know that changing an airport code is that expensive. Berlin is getting a new airport and I always thought that it will get the code BBI (Berlin Brandenburg International), but with keeping the costs under control, is it possible that they will maintain the tree digit code SXF from Schonefeld?


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

I also heard that Sioux City wanted drop SUX, but were unable to because of the costs,

User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2141 times:


RE Berlin: JoFMO, considering BBI is already some airstrip in India, I bet the new Schoenefeld will either continue to be SXF or change to BER, like they did in Oslo: When Gardermoen became the main airport, they replaced GEN with the old metro code OSL.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineTimeForFlight From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

*Its interesting, I have visited VietNam and everyone there refers to Ho Chi Hinh City as Saigon, even youngsters born after the war.....the name change was a political move that has never really caught on with the polulation.(

Dutchjet-
The reason most don't refer to Ho Chi Minh City (HCMC) as that, and instead prefer to call it Saigon, is because of discontent with the communist government. If you don't know, Ho Chi Minh was the communist leader who died before the end of combat in Vietnam. It was his dream that the French influence be removed, and thus the horrible conflict ensued. When the Vietnamese "won" the war, the head government officials renamed the city after him.
The same issue that you mentioned exists in other parts of the world today. When UA initiated its PR campaign in San Francisco, it received numerous complaints because of the negative connotations many Vietnamese nationals (and children of nationals) had with the late leader's name. As a result, UA had to change their advertisements to say "Also known as Saigon."

Ultimately, people just want to distance themselves from a government many do not support. Either way, HCMC/Saigon is an amazing city and I would recommend everyone go provided they have the opportunity!


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

People should come over it. City names change from time to time. And as long as Vietname decide thath they want to call this place Ho Chi Minh, we should accept that.
Or have you ever seen SQ advertising it's latest long haul to New Amsterdam?


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

JoFMO:

That's the point. The Vietnamese people didn't accept it. I bet formal renaming occurs to the old name in a decade or two.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

As a practical matter, lots of people still call HCM City "Saigon". The hotels there still include the Sheraton Saigon, the Best Western Saigon, the Marco Polo Omni Saigon Hotel, The Grand Hotel Saigon, The Windsor Hotel Saigon, The New World Hotel Saigon, etc.

As to renaming airports, lots of us either still use the old name, or the 3-letter designation remains even though the name has changed. ORD for "Orchard Field", for example. Or how many people actually call ATL anything other than "Hartsfield" rather than the tortured "Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport" (have to add that Atlanta in the name or everybody would think they were going to Mississippi) or DCA anything other than "National" rather than "Reagan National".

In all of these cases, one explanation (besides "Old names die hard.") is that where the government imposes some less-than-optimal name, the public resists calling something anything other than what they have always called it.

All the best,

Bill


User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1515 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

I think reply 12 kind of hits the nail on the head.

We have other similar examples too:

Rangoon became Yangon but code remains RGN
Bombay became Mumbai but code remains BOM
Calcutta became Kolkata but code remains CCU
Madras became Chennai but code remains MAA
Cochin became Kochi but the code remains COK

Hope at least the codes remain that way in memory of those great names.

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Or how many people actually call ATL anything other than "Hartsfield" rather than the tortured "Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport" (have to add that Atlanta in the name or everybody would think they were going to Mississippi) or DCA anything other than "National" rather than "Reagan National".

I hear people say "Reagan National" all the time.



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