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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8436 times:

From Newark, beginning Spring/Summer 2005:

Stockholm (757)
Berlin (757)
Hamburg (757)
Belfast (757)
Bristol (757)
Lagos, Nigeria (TBD....most likely a B767-200)

Additional frequencies to Amsterdam (B767-400, B767-200) instead of one daily B777.

Seasonal double-daily to FCO (B767-400, B767-200)

Double daily to Tel Aviv? (B777)

Double daily to Birmingham, UK (B757)

Double daily to Paris, CDG (B777, B767-200)

Double daily to London/Gatwick (year round) (B777, B767-400)

Additional weekly frequencies to Glasgow, Scotland

Daily nonstops to:

Existing

Tokyo/Narita
Hong Kong (five weekly)
Milan
Madrid
Lisbon
Brussels
Zurich
Geneva
Frankfurt (going to a 777 from a 767-400)
Manchester
Edinburgh
Shannon

Impressive! The New York area never had an airline with that many nonstop flights to so many international routes. And this list does not include all the flights to the Caribbean, Canada, and Central/South American destinations.

ContinentalEWR
Dublin
Sao Paolo

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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8328 times:

You're forgetting about a few cities, so here's a full list of all of their destinations from EWR:

Transatlantic (new):

Stockholm (757)
Belfast (757)
Berlin (757)
Hamburg (757)
Bristol (757)
Lagos (762)
Moscow (762) - 2006

Transatlantic (existing):

London (777/762)
Manchester (777)
Madrid (777)
Lisbon (752)
Paris (777/762)
Milan (762)
Rome (777)
Amsterdam (777/762)
Frankfurt (764->777)
Tel Aviv (777/777)
Zurich (762)
Geneva (762)
Brussels (764)
Oslo (757)
Glasgow (762)
Edinburgh (757)
Birmingham (757/757)
Dublin (762 alternating with 752)
Shannon (752)

Caribbean:
Nassau
Freeport
Grand Cayman
San Juan
Aguadilla
Aruba
Trinidad & Tobago
Barbados
Antigua
St. Maarten
St. Thomas
Puerto Plata
Santo Domingo
Santiago
Punta Cana
Bermuda
Kingston
Montego Bay

I think that covers it all. An extensive and impressive route map, to say the least.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8281 times:

Thanks for the list! A very impressive network with a lot of new destinations.

Since I will move to Hamburg very soon, I will try to get a seat on the first flight from HAM to EWR on June 10th, that would be the first time for me that I fly on CO, the first time for me in a narrowbody over the Atlantic, and I would be for the first time in my life on an inaugural-flight. Let's hope that I will find a cheap fare.

Patrick


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8265 times:

Hopefully, CO will do the EWR-ANC run again . . . I didn't see it above. I know ANC isn't 'international' but . . . . might as well be.

User currently offlineIluv747400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8247 times:

The second set of flights to Rome will only be 4 weekly.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8231 times:

I forgot one city, Oslo.

Newark-Moscow has been postponed until 2006.



User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8200 times:

You forgot to add the South American cities served from EWR:

- Bogota (757)
- Sao Paulo (762)
- Quito (stop in BOG, 757)
- Lima (757)
- Caracas (73G)
- Guayaquil (757)

Plus the cities in central america....

Edit: Forgot GYE...

[Edited 2004-12-11 15:25:45]

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

CO serves GRU and GIG from IAH (and not only GRU as posted above).


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2078 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8077 times:

I am now suspect that EWR-LOS will come on board soon. I think they want to do it, but too many issues to resolve.

User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8023 times:

Dont forget the possible China routes. If they indeed get them I think they
will have no choice but to order additional widebodies


User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7708 times:

...and don't forget the new nonstops to exciting Del Rio!  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7641 times:

Hardiwv...I was talking about destinations from EWR not IAH.....

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

From an operational perspective, i think its great that Continental can use the B757's for such long routes to link "smaller" cities to the USA. Of course, from a spotter's perspective, we all want to see the 777's and the likes, but that isn't a factor.

-Stephen


User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7533 times:

Additional weekly frequencies to Glasgow, Scotland

Great news for GLA. So no EDI upgrade for atleast another year? I was expecting an upgrade of some kind, maybe too much to ask so soon. Hopefully 2006 will see a change.



Neutrality means that u don't really care cos the struggle goes on even when ur not there, blind and unaware
User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2078 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

I just noticed the other thread about CO actually starting service to LOS, so pardon my ignorance in my post above!

I find myself too busy to look at all the threads on here!!!!!!


User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7391 times:

Don't forget EWR-HNL "Domestic Long Haul"

User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

Do they have any plans to put more Asia flights on?

User currently offlineRyanAFAMSP From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

I think we need to qualify the statement about New York never having had an airline with so many non-stops to so many places.

Can anyonee make a comparison to Pan Am's schedules at its apex - with non-stops that would probably mean the late 1980s - but the late 1970s for total desitnations served. I am thinking they would beat CO hands down. Plus they flew a ton of seats because of the 747-100's massive capacity.

What does everyone think?


User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

What Asian cities does CO or any airline NOT serve from EWR or JFK that *are* served from the west-coast???

Could we see those on board soon?



Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16891 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6101 times:

" I am thinking they would beat CO hands down."

Nope, you have to take into account CO's frequencies to Canada, Mexico and the Carribbean. And while Pan Am did fly to lots of European destinations, many were not on a daily basis even during the peak Summer months save the top destinations (Italy, England, France etc..).



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16891 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Another thing to take into account is that Pan Am and TWA used lots of "tags" on flights, JFK-Hamburg-Berlin etc.. CO avoids tags and flies nonstop back and forth.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5779 times:

What are the chances of seeing CO to possibly serve ATH or CAI?


Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineRyanAFAMSP From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5679 times:

Good call STT757

I was thinking that after I wrote it. The FRA, TXL, and LHR hubs for PA and the CDG and LHR hubs for TW reduced the number of outbounds across the pond for Pan Am.

I guess I was just sort of thinking about the period where Pan Am had the A310s in trans atlantic service and upped non-stop frequencies. I was thinking they also did some Carribbean service out of JFK in addition to the MIA operation.

I would be interested in the overall capacity as well. I think PAs 741s held over 400, which is more than two CO 757s. It would be interesting to look at the overall uplift.

Ryan


User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5674 times:

Hopefully, CO will do the EWR-ANC run again . . . I didn't see it above. I know ANC isn't 'international' but . . . . might as well be.

It's a shame the closest thing to that is the CO flight from Houston-ANC, but it's seasonal.



Now you're really flying
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

What are the chances of seeing CO to possibly serve ATH or CAI?
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CO would be interested in an EWR-ATH run, but I am rather sure that governmental authorities would be needed - Greece and US do not have open skies and DL has the NYC-Athens route. CO was studying the possibilities long ago, back when DC10-30s were the primary aircraft accross the Atlantic and I have not heard much about Athens since....it would be an ideal route for a 762. Concerning CAI, I have honestly heard nothing but when TLV was announced it was a total surprise and the EWR-TLV has gone on to a hugely successful and profitable route for for CO (its the only transatlantic route out of EWR with two daily 777s during the summer season). While TW had some success with its operations in and out of Cairo, DL's attempts did not go very well although DL's timing ended up being all wrong - my guess is that CO will not send its own aircraft to Cairo in the near future and serve that city in cooperation with its SkyTeam partners KL and AF for a variety of reasons.


Hopefully, CO will do the EWR-ANC run again . . . I didn't see it above. I know ANC isn't 'international' but . . . . might as well be.

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The EWR-ANC nonstop operated only during the Summer season - for one or maybe two summers - and the flight did not opearate during Summer 2004. I dont think it will return for a couple reasons: first, the CO's 757s are now going to be doing a lot of transatlantic work; second, the flight (for some reason) was always seemed to be a scheduling and operational problem - maybe because the aircraft used tended to do Florida runs inbetween the flights to ANC; and, third, the yeilds were so-so, a good percentage of the pax on the flight were cruise passengers flying on air/sea packages travelling under bulk fares negotiated by the cruise lines.




25 Flyibaby : I am surprised to see CO jumping on the SVO market rather than the PRG market. PRG is an up and coming city with tons of history and a booming ecomony
26 ContinentalEWR : There is much more business traffic going to Moscow than to Prague FlyIbaby, and further, CO would operate the EWR-Moscow route to Domedodovo Airport
27 STT757 : "Doesn't OK still fly EWR-PRG in addition to JFK-PRG" Yup, A310s.
28 Klwright69 : Great post Dutchjet.... I just wanted to add that TW's success in CAI had a great deal to do with the fact that the flight continued on to Riyadh, and
29 Airportugal310 : A CO EWR-ATH would be an awesome route. I thought that back in the day a few months back I read that CO was adding another LIS flight using a 767-200
30 Petazulu : EWR-IST might work well too. Right now, it's just Turkish Airlines and Delta.
31 Klwright69 : I could see IST working as well. I have been to IST. During the summer IST flights are brimming and overselling. If CO launches IST, during the winter
32 Karan69 : EWR-BOM/DEL via some EU/UK city will also work very well
33 Airnondo : EWR-OTP (Bucharest) is the route that CO needs to start! Tarom droped their direct JFK route last year at the bequest of Airfrance and a rumored futur
34 Heisan67 : The CO service EWR to Oslo, Norway will be daily during summer periodes, and 3-4 times a week during winter periodes. From what I hear they are doing
35 7LBAC111 : Hopefully, CO will do the EWR-ANC run again . . . I didn't see it above. I know ANC isn't 'international' but . . . . might as well be. It's a shame t
36 Post contains images ANCFlyer : 7LBAC111: "CO operate a daily service via SEA (CO1781) " Yup, I know, but you still have that infernal stop in SEA. At least it's a 757. It was dandy
37 Iahcsr : I've seen COs 73W (is that the appropriate deignator for a winglet equipped 738?)" '73W' is already used by CO for some other 737 subfleet. The Wingl
38 7E72004 : How comfortable could a 757 be going across the atlantic??
39 Post contains images FoxBravo : How comfortable could a 757 be going across the atlantic?? Ugh, this question always comes up, and the answer is always the same: if you're in economy
40 Lxsaab2000 : Are there any 757 interior photos?(I refer to the 757 used to Europe) Thanks
41 WingnutMN : I have a couple of questions dealing with using a 757 for some of these flights. -Are any of these flights weight restricted? -EWR-BER (3985nm) -EWR-H
42 PROSA : Regarding service to CAI, it is clear with TW and later DL's service, CAI cannot sustain nonstop service on a standalone basis from the U.S. MS serves
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