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When Do We Find Out Who Gets The China Routes?  
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

There has been a great deal of speculation regarding who will get the China routes (CO has been under great scrutiny recently because of their extremely high widebody utilization with all of their new routes), but I'd like to know when we will find out? If the airlines are supposed to start flying in March 2005, it's not exactly a great deal of time to do advertising, set up counter and gate space in China, etc. So what's the deal?

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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3792 times:

I'm really surprised that for all of the discussion that goes on, no one here on a.net has any clue.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

I think that the new deal, allowing the increased flights between US and China, was signed in late-September - less than 3 months ago. My guess, and its only a guess, is that no decision will be made until after the new year. While CO and the other airlines are most anxious to get the authorities and CO has stated that it would like to start the EWR-Bejing service by March 2005, that is a date that was put out there by CO and not the governmental authorities. CO also has said that Shanghai would not start until sometime in 2006.

My guess is that we will hear something in mid to late Janaury - and if CO is selected, the EWR-Bejing service will begin about 3 months thereafter, ie, just in time for the Summer 2005 schedule.



User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

The final step in the various carriers' proposals, the Briefs, were submitted on November 22. I would guess that, in this case, we can expect the DOT to make a decision about 6-12 weeks after that. (It took over 6 months last time around.) Additionally, the DOT will issue a Show-Cause Order when it makes its tentative decision. That order will surely be appealed, about 21 days after being issued, and the appeals will be responded to, about 10 days after that. Then the DOT will consider the appeals and issue a final order, probably 2-4 weeks after that.

March 25, 2005, is when the authority becomes available, and the DOT would like it to be used as soon as possible. The carrier selected will be given 90 days from the date of the final order to begin service.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Some US Airlines have said they would like to start the routes just before summer 2005...

so regulators better hurry.



Never trust the obvious
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Thanks for giving such a well-done explanation, Ed. I really appreciate it - and things now make much more sense.

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

Is this application only for the new entrents or is UA's SFO-NRT-CAN application included?

I thought that all are included, but in the several press releases from AA,CO and DL over the last weeks why they should get the rights, nobody blamed UA'S application, but everybody else's.


User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

No one cares about UA's application (i am not anti united, i fly them all the time) because the new frequencies are obviously going to be allotted to the carrier that wins the new designation. i.e. DL, CO, HA, or AA....

My guess is that AA will get the 2005 and CO will get the 2006 rights.

HA and DL don't stand a chance


User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

UA and NW are established carriers in the pacific market, I do believe the rights included UA into CAN and NWA into their city. Airlines cant compete with these two airlines(in the pacifc), they can only hope they cant beat the others to the punch.


UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

My question was because I still haven't understood how the UA application is related to the others. Is there a special round for UA? When can we expect an announcement if UA will get it's rights? They want to start it#s flights in the middle of the year.

User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 725 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

I can't wait for someone to start flying PVG/JFK or EWR. I don't understand why it hasn't happened yet. The UA flights from ORD and SFO are often oversold in C class to PVG. I must meet 3 bankers a week from EC US here, so there must be alot of them coming over. I would think that the EWR/PVG market would be more interesting the the EWR/PEK market. Why is CO going to do it the other way around? Does anyone know? Anyway, I can't wait to be able to fly to New York area non-stop. It makes such a large difference on those long flights not to have to stop and schlep through another airport mid-way.

User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

It depends on which part of the world your airline fly's from, I know QF have just started syd - Shanghai, and NZ are aiming to open up AKL - Shanghai hopefully next year, with the triple 7..


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
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