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User currently offlineAirish From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 259 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7253 times:

This article says United Airlines are among those planning to enter India. Does anyone know when this might be and from which airport.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/956172.cms


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User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3356 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7201 times:
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I'm hoping UA will go ORD -> India N/S


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7542 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

They used to operate there as part of thier ATW flights. From LHR and HKG. There was talk of a ORD n/s but that was dropped after 911. They dropped India entirely.


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7055 times:

interesting, I started a post on this topic just recently..




http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1844486



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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7006 times:

I thought UA flew to India?

UA1: LAX-HKG-DEL-FRA-ORD or something to that effect.



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User currently offlineBananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

Their India flight used to leave LHR and head over to DEL and the HKG.

I know it was VERY popular with the crews but was suspended soon after 911.

EDIT : They announced it 17th Sep 2001 that the route would cease.

Where did it go after HKG? SYD then MEL, LAX, and ORD?

Mark

[Edited 2004-12-12 01:43:57]

[Edited 2004-12-12 01:44:30]


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6979 times:

UA killed its Indian ops years ago.


And if this is a proposed ORD-DEL nonstop, don't hold your breath... would only be the 3rd or 4th time they've proposed doing it in about a decade.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

Where did it go after HKG? SYD then MEL, LAX, and ORD?

UA 1 went IAD-LHR-DEL-HKG-LAX-IAD.
UA 2 went IAD-LAX-HKG-DEL-LHR-IAD.

N


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

I've got to agree with Frédéric on this one. Besides, if we need any more proof that the Times of India's little more than a wannabe sensationalist rag, here are some selections from the article linked above:

  • "Some of the recent entrants are... Alitalia, Aeroflot, Iran Air, Quantas...."

  • "Those that would increase their flight frequencies...Singapore Airways... and Cathway Pacific...."


  • User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

    Alitalia, Aeroflot, Iran Air

    These three Airlines have flown to India as long as I can remember. Sure at one time Aeroflot served only Delhi and Alitalia Bombay, but they are NOT new to the Indian market. Perhaps they have added new destination within the last 5-7 years but that doesn't mean they have recently entered the market. I guess LH is also new to the market when HYD comes online in March.


    User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
    Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6825 times:

    Both AZ and QF have stopped and resumed operations before, but that does not make then new entrants by any stretch.

    IR have been here for ever.

    SU used to fly from Moscow to at least Bombay, Calcutta & Dilly (and beyond). At one time they pulled out of BOM and CCU, but re-started daily BOM ops some time ago.

    Plus, the Times have these brilliant airline names and spellings: Quantas, Singapore Airways and Cathway Pacific!


    User currently offlineJc5280 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 530 posts, RR: 4
    Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6756 times:

    Makes sense. UA still employs airport staff there, though there is no current UA flight. Also, some outsourcing of the call centers will be going to India soon.

    User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3356 posts, RR: 31
    Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6552 times:
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    LH serves more Indian destinations than most European airlines!

    LH serves:Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore and soon Hyderabad.
    BA serves:Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai
    KL serves:Delhi, Mumbai (NW), (Used to serve Kolkata every wednesday via Delhi)

    and many others... these are a few of the major players that go to India...

    many European Charters like to fly to Goa too...



    Leo/ORD -- Groetjes uit de VS! -- Heeft u laatst nog met KLM gevlogen?
    User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
    Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6499 times:

    jc5280,
    ua still has airport employees there(DEL)?????i was under the impression that they were let go...........i know this should be on a new thread.......the routes i see coming online at ual will be ORD-ARN,ORD-DEL,ORD/IAD-PRG,ORD/IAD-MAN. would be willing to bet that 3 of these cities come online in the year 2005........im staking my name on this ual777 so i will expect a carlton cold if my cities come true AND a public acknowldgement of the fact that burnsie28 and NWAFA are a great asset to A.NET



    bus driver.......move that bus:)
    User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1361 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6450 times:

    Is Delta the only current US airline to fly to India now (Mumbai, BOM)?

    DL 118 CDG-BOM 11:00AM-12:15AM
    DL 119 BOM-CDG 02:20AM-07:55AM

    Flights start and terminate in JFK.



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    User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3356 posts, RR: 31
    Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6424 times:
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    nope. NW flies to Mumbai from AMS:

    NW 42: AMS-BOM 10.25a - 11.20p
    NW 41: BOM-AMS 01.20a - 06.30a

    NW 46: AMS-BOM 2.35p - 3.30a
    NW 45: BOM-AMS 5.30a - 10.40a

    Flights start and terminate in MSP

    [Edited 2004-12-12 07:35:41]


    Leo/ORD -- Groetjes uit de VS! -- Heeft u laatst nog met KLM gevlogen?
    User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6289 times:

    UA still employs airport staff there, though there is no current UA flight.

    No. United kept their airport staff on the payroll during their first cessation of operations to India, but they were all terminated after the second cessation of operations in September 2001.

    I interviewed a handful of the ex-UA folks in 2002 when I was doing some recruitment in India on behalf of a client and they told me that they do have preferential recall rights if UA were to start up again in Delhi, but for now they are no longer employees.

    I think jasepl summed up the article perfectly, so I won't bother adding anything more for now.


    User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16367 posts, RR: 56
    Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6255 times:

    Maybe they will resurrect their planned 744 nonstop ORD-DEL. God knows they have enough spare 744's lying around.

    Wonder whether this would hurt AC's YYZ-DEL?



    Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
    User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
    Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

    Maybe they will resurrect their planned 744 nonstop ORD-DEL. God knows they have enough spare 744's lying around.

    Wonder whether this would hurt AC's YYZ-DEL?

    YYZ717,
    hurt AC??????there will never be enough carriers flying from NORTHAM to INDIA.....any ual folks in here......type in RQ then type in city pairs..
    IE:RQ ORD-ARN.........LOOK AT THE DATE THAT THE ROUTE WAS BUILT.....
    RQ ORD PRG-24MAR04
    RQ IAD PRG-08JAN04
    would be nice to see a non CO 57/67 flying into a new euro city........BTW ord/iad-man routes were built in oct of 04....so if BD gets the india routes im sure you will see UAL going into MAN.........



    bus driver.......move that bus:)
    User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6181 times:

    if BD gets the india routes im sure you will see UAL going into MAN

    In case you didn't notice, BMI did get the India routes and they will be launching 4x weekly service to Mumbai from London-Heathrow.


    User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6131 times:

    there will never be enough carriers flying from NORTHAM to INDIA

    While the market demand itself has grown at an annual rate of 40% over the past few years, direct capacity in the market has grown significantly faster. Compared to 2002, we now see a 236% increase in direct capacity. With the introduction of Air Canada's service, the biggest loser in DIRECT marketshare (that excludes 6th freedom traffic) was actually Northwest while Air India has actually seen an increase in proportional share (from 53% to 55% of all direct passengers).

    The result of this explosive growth in direct service has been a reduction in the market share of a number of 6th freedom carriers. Some carriers such as Lufthansa and Singapore Airlines realigned their strategies to target secondary markets (AMD, BLR, HYD, etc..) rather than the two primary markets (BOM, DEL) that see extensive competition. Others such as British Airways and Cathay Pacific have seen their market shares of India-NA traffic plummet as a result of their inability to respond.

    Can the overall market sustain another direct carrier? Probably yes. Can the primary markets sustain another direct carrier? Probably not. No North American carrier has the cost structure to compete profitably and effectively with Indian and sixth freedom carriers, and most do not have the cash reserves to commit to long-term market development either. The solution has to lie in developing a unique product offering that provides tangible consumer benefits to support the premium cost structure. My personal feeling is that this will come via scheduling efficiencies, but we'll see what actually develops...


    User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
    Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5991 times:

    Is Air Canada doing well on their direct services from toronto-delhi??
    What are their load factors?

    Like Sean mentions that UA would probably not do well in a Direct US-primary market flight-then what should be there other option i.e which EU/UK city


    User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4851 posts, RR: 44
    Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

    Sean, I feel that ONE of the reasons why airlines u mentioned such as SQ-CX (and I'll include) MAS-TG have seen their market share from North America to BOM and DEL fall in the last few years is probably due to more flying time.

    If u use SQ-CX-MAS or TG to fly to North America from BOM especially, you need to stop twice before reaching LAX-YVR or SFO...once in their hub airport and one more time in a city in between.

    CX : BOM-BKK-HKG-USA/YVR/YYZ
    SQ : BOM-SIN-HKG-SFO / BOM-SIN-TPE/NRT-LAX / BOM-SIN-ICN-YVR
    MAS : BOM-KUL-LAX via which city I forgot
    TG : BOM-BKK-KIX-LAX

    Instead of flying these airlines having two stops, people are now I feel finding the convenience of flying Lufthansa-Air France-Austrian-BA-AZ-AI-EK(from JFK)-KLM-DL, a more convenient and less time consuming option than the Far East carriers.

    Lastly, how do ANA, JAL, KE and OZ do loads and yield wise out of BOM/DEL?

    Just my 0.02  Smile


    User currently offlineCx750 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

    BOM/DEL will be strong for some time to come, and you can expected UA and others to start nonstop service. I believe even CO was looking into EWR-India service. Currently, US Carriers do not have the right aircraft for India.

    Both UA's B744 and CO's 772s will have to take payload restrictions during the winter. At the same time, yields have stagnated a bit - once those improve, we'll def. see nonstop service. I predict sometime towards the end of 2005, just in time for India's peak season.

    (Although AC does operate with A343 and now A345s, they experiened some techinical difficulties with the A343, with return stops in Copenhagen)


    User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
    Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

    I've heard several UA people at ORD say they are going back to India (as well as lots of other cities) so who knows if there is a shred of truth to it. If anyone has ever been in T5 at ORD before Air India goes out will know there is a market for flights to India out of Chicago. The question now becomes if the demand is big enough to support multiple flights, is it big enough to support 2 747s a day? Does anyone even know if the 747-400 can do ORD-BOM/DEL non stop? Air India makes a stop in Europe, and if UA can do it non-stop I think that would give them a real competitive advantage being able to advertise the only non-stop flight to India from Chicago.


    What do I know? I just fly 'em.......
    25 Karan69 : MAS : BOM-KUL-LAX via which city I forgot The city is tokyo -NRT-i flew that route in 2001 and it was hectic. Sticking to the thread- Is UA really tha
    26 Airish : I really wonder if there is going to be enough of a market for both Air India and United out of ORD with both routing flights via another point. I wou
    27 Jacobin777 : this has been a previously discussed topic.. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1844486
    28 Behramjee : CX 750, If UAL-CO and others are finding it hard to fly their own aircraft with payload restrictions nonstop from the US East Coast to BOM or DEL, the
    29 MrNiji : of their pax would mind that as its a very short layover time Oh, if I booked a nonstop- I would mind, since takeoff, landing, re-routing etc takes mo
    30 Behramjee : Mrniji...I strongly agree with you concerning our mutual dislike of ultra long haul flights. I once flew TPE-LAX and SFO-TPE (14.20 hrs) on Eva Air B
    31 SHUPirate1 : Here are the current US-India route authorities: AA: BOS/BWI/CLE/DEN/DTW/LAX/MCI/MSP/OAK/ORD/PHL/PIT/SFO/SJC/WAS-all India points (7/1/91), plus EWR/J
    32 Behramjee : SHUpirate1...through which UK/EU or Arab cities are US carriers such as CO-UAL-AA allowed to fly to India with 5th freedom rights? DL already does via
    33 Post contains images SHUPirate1 : Behramjee-No mention in the document that I have...sorry...
    34 B747-437B : Here are the current US-India route authorities Those do not take into consideration either the 1995 MoC and the re-designation of statuses conferred
    35 Burnsie28 : How about they file a restructuring plane first.
    36 B747-437B : through which UK/EU or Arab cities are US carriers such as CO-UAL-AA allowed to fly to India with 5th freedom rights? The bilateral agreement permits
    37 Karan69 : Those are a lot of options for UA and CO
    38 Cx750 : Behramjee, A 45 min technical stop could work however, the current margins are very thin, and the stop would eliminate the fare "premium". I agree, lo
    39 B747-437B : I also think that people under estimate India yields Who are the "people" who you "think" underestimate India yields? I have found the opposite to be
    40 Cx750 : B747-437B, I do agree with you on price sensitivity of the Indian market, an airline seat is basically a commodity - but new external factors should a
    41 Behramjee : Cx750, The entire Indian sub-continent is a very price sensitive market as Sean B747-437B mentioned in his latest post. That is why you see airlines w
    42 Cx750 : That is what I have heard as well, even "consolidator" prices are very high, during several months of the year. In my opinion, a nonstop would def. sh
    43 AADC10 : United RTW service was Flt. 1 going west and Flt. 2 going east on 744s. The stops included DEL LHR IAD LAX and HKG. I flew on parts of it several time
    44 Gigneil : Its doable, but I'm sure it were profitable AI or UA would already be doing it. N
    45 B747-437B : Further to my comments in reply 20, Delta announced today that they will commence daily service from New York JFK to Chennai via Paris CDG effective M
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