FlewGSW From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6952 times:
My information has the mid-field terminal opening this summer. All other work is on a slow, cost as little as possible, path.
But no new routes, yet, as there will not be a net gain in Gates until the entire project is complete. And the project has been scaled back from the original plan that you might have seen in models prior to 9/11.
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2673 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6885 times:
I actually don't remember AA's JFK terminal being that horrid. I was there almost two years ago, after I flew LHR-JFK on an AA Boeing 777. While waiting to board an AA MD-80 JFK-STL, I got to take a look around it. I'd have to say there was nothing special about it, but it at least was a little more interesting than their terminal at ORD
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16274 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6864 times:
T-9 is pretty bad by US standards for modern major International airports, T-8 less so. Although at JFK T-2 is even worse still.
The new AA Terminal when complete will have 37 gates, a small increase from what was available prior to the projects launch. The project now mostly is a upgrade rather than an expansion of the JFK operation, it's pretty much a given that any expansion of flights will be in the International rather than Domestic as made quite evident by the removal of Eagle's 20 gates from the project.
I think if DL were to make a drastic reduction at JFK Internationaly then AA would probably be keen to pick up the slack, however if things stay the way the are then I would look for more "Seasonal" International growth as opposed to year round service.
I would look for "Seasonal" growth to Ireland, Italy, Scotland and Barcelona, mostly with Domestic 757s as they are doing in Boston (save Italy).
AA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6613 times:
ScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2383 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6481 times:
Is this thread really about AA'a new JFK terminal, or just a sly way of making a plea for more AA at GLA?
Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15873 posts, RR: 66 Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6463 times:
When I said horrid, I was reffering to:
- The dark, dated and worn out decor.
- The low ceilings.
- The squeezed in security checkpoints.
- The lack of amenities. A bit more choice when it comes to food would be more than welcome.
- The lack of Windows at the end of T-8. It's like sitting in a cave full of people.
This place is actually worse than LHR3, and that's saying a lot. At least at LHR3 there are a zillion stores to wander around in.
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - from Citadel by John Ringo
ScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2383 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6424 times:
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Keep it up, you're doing well to avoid any mention of EDI. How surprising...
Jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6380 times:
Actually STT757, the AA terminal is a huge expansion----AND U KNOW THAT!
It will be the largest terminal in the NY area (even larger than STT's EWR terminals) with a check in hall larger than Giants Stadium (also in NJ, my man STT757)
The terminal will have 37 gates. A net increase of 12 gates over AAs previous terminal. That's a 48% increase STT.
AA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6292 times:
AlitaliaMD11- I'm sure they will...I don't think there will be a bad gate in the whole place. I used to have rendrings of the inside, but I got a new computer and they were lost...does anyone have them?
AA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6215 times:
Aa767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2271 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6056 times:
The new terminal will be open in April of 2005. They will still use terminal 8, for international arrivals. But at least will use the new terminal, for departures. It will be, a great improvement over the current terminal.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16274 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5711 times:
"Actually STT757, the AA terminal is a huge expansion----AND U KNOW THAT!
It will be the largest terminal in the NY area (even larger than STT's EWR terminals) with a check in hall larger than Giants Stadium (also in NJ, my man STT757)
The terminal will have 37 gates. A net increase of 12 gates over AAs previous terminal. That's a 48% increase STT. "
Easy there..
It will have 37 gates, not that many as before. It is a large increase in square footage of the building, but gate wise it's not that big of an increase in capacity.
The check in hall was planned to be quite large, but will not be as large as planned when completed. They may expand it to it's originaly planned size later, however when it opens the ticketing hall will not be as large as JFK's T-4.
Compare the planned size of the ticketing hall
And what's being built, it's about half the size.
It's not as large as CO's EWR which has over 70 gates, closer to 80. The gate capacity is something to brag about, not the square footage of the check in hall. That's where travelers spend the least amount of time.
AA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5665 times:
Even with 37 gates...AA currrently has 23 I believe so that is a huge increase in gate space.
Lets not argue about size though...as they always say, "size doesnt matter...its how you use what you have"
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 928 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5637 times:
A quick question. Is the design of the terminal suppose to allow for aircraft to taxi between what looks like the underground walkway between the two terminals. From looking at that overhead picture and then the simulated pictures just above, it looks like it would be quite a tight fit for some of the larger aircraft like the 777. From the overhead picture, it appears that the aircraft near this area all by itself is an A300. It looks like it would pass, but without a substantial amount of clearance room. Anyone know taxi patterns around this new terminal?
NYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 660 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5157 times:
I don't think there will be any new destinations from JFK for AA. Nothing has been going around the rumor mill. The exact date for the opening of the new midfield terminal is April 20, 2005. The reduction in size of the terminal is due to the fact that American Eagle's operation at JFK was downsized, and the concourses for the RJs won't be built.
Jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2672 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5051 times:
STT757,
You are incorrect with your size findings.
Your photo is not the whole terminal. The check in hall has not been shrunk at all. It will be the same size. Take a look at the temporary walls on either side of the ticketing hall in a newer photo.
Also notice that the departure roadway extends on the east and west sides of the half-built terminal. They would not build a brand new elevated roadway if it wasn't conecting to a terminal frontage.
The actual size of the terminal is the full length of that straight-edge elevated roadway.
PJ
25 BIGBlack: Now they need to something at BOS with that disgusting falling apart hangar and building 16
26 UA744KSFO: "It's not as large as CO's EWR which has over 70 gates, closer to 80. The gate capacity is something to brag about, not the square footage of the chec
27 GustyOrange: Might it be possible that we could see some new Euro routes in 2006/7 then ? UK regions to USA traffic is really taking off, thanks in part to the wea
28 AlitaliaMD11: Hey I really dont think that AA would start service to BCN or MAD from JFK, becuase they are such close partners with IB and there flights are codesha
29 Goboeing: Does anyone know if there will be an American Airlines company ramp tower on this new terminal? Someone asked me and I am now curious myself. Nick
30 Nyc777: I think the plan is to open the mid field concourse in the next 6 months or so. After that construction will continue on the West side of the terminal
31 Aa767400: Once again, AA, will move to the new terminal in April of 2005. All international arrivals, will still deplane at terminal 8, until the other phase is
32 Nyc777: Aa767400, Will the final configuration of the entire terminal be essentially what was planned in 1999 without the American Eagle gates (including the
33 Aa777jr: AA new DFW international terminal will be open before their JFK terminal? Will AA be adding new European services from JFK once their terminal is comp
34 STT757: "CO's Newark terminal is overcrowded in my opinion. It always gives me the feeling of being in a zoo." It's the busiest Terminal the NYC Tri-State are
35 Flyguy1: Most of the stores in T4 aren't all that good. I recently received a post card in the mail from T4 (don't know how they got my address), inviting me t
36 Nyc777: The stores in T4 will probably cater to travllers from Europe as there are favorable exchange rates from a European visitors point of view. Anyone kno
37 CODC10: IMO T4 at JFK is one of the most underappreciated terminals around. It's an attractive design, clean, efficient, and overall a great replacement for t
38 STT757: T-4 is crying out for DL to move in, extend the aligator leg concourses of T-4 and move DL into T-4. This was part of DL's ambitious Expansion plan of
39 Jfklganyc: The problem for DL is that they are almost bankrupt. Realistically, when you are in dire straights, you must scale back spending. They already have 30
40 N62NA: Does anybody know if AA is managing the JFK project, just like they are (mis-)managing the construction of their new MIA terminal?[Edited 2004-12-14 0
41 STT757: "A less costly refreshment of the two terminals is on order--and a smart move on their part" Basically all they are doing is HVAC work and some baggag
42 ISP: DL has realized the importance of their JFK OPS and will NOT be reducing them in the near future.
43 Jfklganyc: STT757, I'm sorry to say this buddy. I have spoken with you quite a bit over the past few months and have grown to enjoy your insight and enjoy the di
44 Aa767400: jfklganyc, Don't worry about good old STT757. He has bashed NYC, and anything in it, since day one. NJ, is god, and CO, is king. And that is that! NJ,
45 AA787: There is one huge difference between AA at JFK and CO at EWR. CO-EWR is their super hub, hence their 63 gates AA-JFK is mainly for cross country, euro
46 STT757: " I have never seen AA fly a domestic 757 across the pond from JFK. On what basis do you make this statement now?" They are doing it from Boston right
47 AA787: STT-Everything you say is true...but this is an unfair battle. CO has more resources being put into EWR. If JFK was as convenient as EWR for people in
48 JetBlue: STT- You mentioned: --- " I have never seen AA fly a domestic 757 across the pond from JFK. On what basis do you make this statement now?" They are do
49 STT757: Im not saying that this airport is better or this one is worse, what Im saying each of the 4 (yes four) NYC Airports run by the Port Authority are tot
50 STT757: STT757 as stated earlier in the thread.. "I would look for "Seasonal" growth to Ireland, Italy, Scotland and Barcelona, mostly with Domestic 757s as t
51 Flyguy1: Speaking of confusion, what are the Mets doing signing Martinez?
52 STT757: Im withholding judgement as of now, but I would have tried to sign him without the fourth year. Matinez probably has two more good seasons in him, but
53 AA787: We wouldn't have gotten Pedro without the 4 years...I think we should get Alou too, because our offense is horrible too. Actually, pretty much everyth
54 Flyguy1: They need bullpen help, and offense. Its not my money of course, but I would prefer to see the Mets get younger guys, not older players in their twili
55 Tommy767: I can't wait until the new AA terminal gets up and running. Looks solid. Continental's super hub at EWR in my opinion is overly large. I liked how mul
56 Jfklganyc: Matinez is a smart move for three years not four. He also was not worth that much money to most teams. However, the Mets are in a bad spot--so he was
57 B777ER: You all want to talk about lousy terminals. The worst IMO is IAD's long midfield terminal (concourse C and D) that UAL uses. Spent two days there in A
59 SHUPirate1: B777ER-Washington-National is better for being closer to the city, however, remember this: Your tail is stuck to your chair for the last half-hour of
60 B777ER: Yes SHUPirate1 I know. I am one of those "big guys in badges" though I work for a completely different agency not related to aviation. You can't beat
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