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Egyptair To Order Regional Jets  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3950 times:

Egyptair has once again indicated that it plans to acquire 5 new 50-70 seater regional jets to operate on domestic and regional flights.

http://www.aaco.org/pubnews.asp?id=643&lang=1

According to the article the RJs will be operated by MS's wholly owned subsidiary Air Cairo who currently operate A321s on charter services.

The airline originally began looking into operating regional jets early last year (2003) with a view to operate 5 50-seater regional jets (either the Erj-145 or Crj200). They leased 6 ATR-42s from Tarom and Air Littoral for a period of 7 months during 2003 to see whether operating smaller aircraft on domestic routes would be a success, which it did.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/622/ec5.htm

Then earlier this year (April 2004) the airline embarked on a major restructuring plan which involved dropping unprofitable destinations, increasing frequency on existing routes and replacing older aircraft. This also put a hold on any immediate fleet or network expansion, but it seems the airline think its the right time to introduce the regional jets (turboprops are not being considered). This would leave the CRJ200 and 700 as well as the Embarer ERJ145 and 170 as possible candidates, though the Brazilian manufacturer is at an advantage due to lower costs and better delivery slots.


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Currently there are 2 Egyptian operators that utilise regional turboprops, PAS (Dash 7s and 8s) and Scorpio Aviation (ATR-42s). The only other regional aircraft operators in the region are Royal Jordanian's Royal Wings and Regional Air Lines (Morocco), though RB an ME are planning a joint venture airline called Air Taxi to operate RJs on flights between Syria and Lebanon.

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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3880 times:

The only other regional aircraft operators in the region are Royal Jordanian's Royal Wings and Regional Air Lines (Morocco)

You forgot Oman Air which operates ATR 42-500s on domestic routes.

though RB an ME are planning a joint venture airline called Air Taxi to operate RJs on flights between Syria and Lebanon.

Actually "Air Taxi" is just the code-name of the project. It will not be the name of the airline.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

Yeah I forgot about WY's ATRs. BTW they are also used on regional flights (in particular DXB) and not just domestic flights. And I read that Air Taxi was one of the proposed names for the ME/RB regional airline and not just a code-name for the project...I guess we'll have and see.

Also MS has decided to convert 2 of its passenger A300-600Rs to freighters. They are expected to be in service by June 2005. (http://www.egyptair.com.eg/docs/inside/insideaircraft.htm)
Another 3 A300s are also being converted to freighters to be delivered to Irish company, Air Lucht by February 2005. I am not sure about the fate of the last 2 A300s though.

Horus




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User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

gotta tell ya, these planes suck in the heat. Performance/comfort/reliability all seem to suffer when the temps hit 90F.

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Horus

Do you know if the ATR42s MS leased from RO and FU wore Egyptair titles?
Did you see one with titles ?
Many thanks for the answer as i am trying for a while to know it.
Also do you know which will be the future of both MS 747-300s ?
And last question : it has been rumoured that MS will reorder A340-600s , and will dispose of their T7s , any news about this ?
Thanks for all.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3517 times:

BTW they are also used on regional flights (in particular DXB) and not just domestic flights.

Correct. My cousin flew on an ATR 42 from DXB to MCT and back last year.

And I read that Air Taxi was one of the proposed names for the ME/RB regional airline and not just a code-name for the project...I guess we'll have and see.

Could you cite where you heard this?

I assure you air taxi is just the code-name of the project. The full title of the project is Air Taxi Project and news articles mentioned that the name of the airline has not been disclosed yet.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3484 times:

Very interesting news. I'm not surprised to see MS convert two of their A306s to freighters. It's the cheapest and best way now. Besides, those A300s are not very old so they still can have some 6-7 year of life in them. Thanks for the update Horus. I'm depending on you now for MS's latest news  Smile.

FCKC,
The two 747s according to Horus are just sitting ducks taking space in HECA. I'm not sure what there fate is however again they are not that old and hope that MS would consider converting them to freighters. As for the 777s they are not going anywhere. They are the flagship of Ms's fleet. I've heard a rumor a while back that MS is studying 2 more 777s to be added to the fleet but hours can correct me on that. No news on the A346s. Personally I think it would cost MS more money to introduce the A346s to the fleet than just buying more 772ER. I hope MS would just go for more 777s.



Please excuse my English!
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Sorry for the late reply...


FCKC

Do you know if the ATR42s MS leased from RO and FU wore Egyptair titles?
No they didn't, they wore the liveries of their owners but the names were removed and replaced with small MS titles.

Also do you know which will be the future of both MS 747-300s ?
To be honest I'm not sure what'll happen to them. Both are still parked at MS's hanger at CAI without engines. I'm planning to go to Cairo next February and I'll try to get more info then.

And last question : it has been rumoured that MS will reorder A340-600s , and will dispose of their T7s , any news about this ?
No news on the A346 order. The B772s are staying a little longer but there is till a chance they'll be disposed of before the end of the decade. Again I'm not sure but I'll try to find out for you.


BA, can't remember where I read it but it stated that 'Air Taxi' was a proposed name.


Korg747, Yes I guess converting the A300-600Rs was the most obvious solution to expand their freighter fleet. And yeah the A300s were delivered between 1990-1991 so they're not that old (for freighters).

And regarding further 777s that is extremely unlikely with more A332s more suited to their operations. Yesterday they got confirmation to finance the last 4 A332s they have on order (3rd is being delivered this month). http://www.iii.co.uk/shares/?type=news&articleid=5147987&action=article


Horus




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User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Hours,
Well if the A330s are more suited to their operations then there is no point for the A346s. I was commenting though that if MS needs an aircraft of the A346's size, that it would be better to just go for the 777s because it would save them more money since they already operate 5 of them. Unless they really hate Boeing OR Airbus really sells their A346s terribly cheap.





[Edited 2004-12-17 22:34:17]


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Embarer ERJ145 and 170 as possible candidates, though the Brazilian manufacturer is at an advantage due to lower costs and better delivery slots.

I hope so. An politics, as usual, will play its parts. Don't forget that the President of Brazil visited Egypt this year, and both countries are playing the cards of South-South cooperation. Also, dont forget the fact that Brazil has one of the world's biggest Arab populations. I hope Embraer will get the orders!

Rgs,


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Korg747, an order for the A346 (or even the 773) would only be placed to replace the capacity lost with the retirement of the 2 B743, but the airline might decide to deploy smaller capacity aircraft (e.g A332), at greater frequencies to their destinations hence providing high frequency and not having overcapacity. For example it would be better to serve JFK with a daily A332 flight rather than 5x weekly B777.

As for the A346 or B773, like you said they already have 5 of 777s, but they also have (or will have) 3 A342s and 7 A332s which provide strong commonality with the A346, so hypothetically the order can go either way. Even though these larger capacity would be 'nice' in MS's fleet, I think it would be better to go for smaller aircraft like the A332 or even B772.

On an unrelated issue, MS are planning to sell off their inflight entertainment department (i.e privitise it) early next year which should hopfully mean a 'drastic improvement of onboard services across the fleet" according to Capt. Hassan Mesharafa (EgyptAir Inflight Services Chairman). I'm hoping that means the introduction of PTVs in Y class and revamp of First and Business Class (note: the A332s don't have F class). We'll have to wait and see.


Hardiwv, I hope they go for the Embraers too. They're more comfortable, more efficient aircraft than the CRJ especially in the hot operating conditions in Egypt. Even though links between Egypt and Brazil are getting stronger, you have to remember that Canada has strong cultural and economic ties to Egypt so it's a difficult situation.


Horus




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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

HORUS

Many thanks indeed for all these informations.
Maybe you will find i am a little bit borring (and also for all people in this thread) , but being a fan of the ATR42 , would like to know if MS titles wore by these leased ATRs , were titles or very small stickers.Perhaps you have a kind of photo (digital , or in the magazines).
Many thanks in advance.
Go Egyptair..........


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

FCKC

No worries, I think its great when people ask questions about MS so I hardly think you're boring  Big thumbs up

I know for a fact the ATRs that came from FU had the MS name and logo painted on and according to someone I know at CAI the aircraft turned some heads each time it landed with its colourful livery. Not sure about RO's ATRs though.

Unfortunately I have no photos of the aircraft  Sad


Korg747

Here is a photo of the Y cabin on MS's A332s (photo was taken on a flight to Paris/Orly...read the comments). I was on the inaugural flight A332 flight earlier this year on the CAI-SSH route.


MyAviation.net photo:

Photo © Patrick Meunier



Horus



[Edited 2004-12-18 17:47:19]


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

I just read today in a newspaper (it's in Arabic so no point linking it) that the price of Embraer jets are around 20% cheaper than Bombardier/Canadair. Is this true? Does anyone have the list prices for each manufacturers' aircraft?

Thanks in advance

Horus




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User currently offlineEuroLeb From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

I just read today in a newspaper (it's in Arabic so no point linking it) that the price of Embraer jets are around 20% cheaper than Bombardier/Canadair. Is this true?

It's quite possible considering the higher wages/cost of leaving in Canada than that of Brazil. Anyway, price list is only one factor that comes into play when it comes to making decision on new aircraft orders. Otherwise, Boeing and Airbus wouldn't be around today as every airline in the world would be buying Russian-made aircraft instead...



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

I absolutely agree with you Euroleb that price is not everything but it plays a pivotal role. You only need to look at the recent LCC orders that Airbus won (and Boeing lost) with many stating that the huge price advantage was what clenched the deal for the European manufacterer.

Horus




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