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User currently offlineCb777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

If CO does secure the China routes, will ordering new widebodies be an
inevitability...?

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

A possibility... yes

An inevitability (directly correlated to the securing of said authority)... no


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5363 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2390 times:

I think they could squeeze one of the Chinese routes out of the present fleet; two would be hard, probably costing them very decent profits on another long haul route.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2304 times:

I've thought about this as well, but given the massive capital costs, I'd say it's more likely that the necessary 777s will be placed on China, and the fleet cascaded/downgraded as necessary or practical from there.

ie: more 757s on intl routes across the pond, etc.

Tough to say especially given the new European routes as well.


User currently offlineAirzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Based on the current 18 777's at CO, and assuming that CO gains permission for both Shanghai and Beijing, I think you can forget any CO 777's flying to Europe.

IAH-NRT-2 planes
EWR-NRT-2 planes
EWR-HKG-3 planes
EWR-TLV-3 planes (two flights per day)
EWR-BJS-3 planes
EWR-PVG-3 planes
EWR-??? (DEL)-2 planes




User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

CO has a single remaining option for a 777 , they will most likely exercise that at somepoint.


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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

There are available 777s parked in the desert (UA's leased planes) right now that will may be available to CO if they do pick up more routes to Asia and do need to aquire more planes. However, UA got rid of those planes because they had the worst lease terms. If CO is going to pick them up, they need to be prepared for much of the same.


What do I know? I just fly 'em.......
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

UAL's Pratt powered 777s do match with CO's GE90 fleet of 777s, but you never know if the price is right..


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

SLUAviator,

Given the current financial status of CO, that is an excellent idea for CO to take over 777 from UA that are parked. CO will eventually have to place a order for more aircraft if they obtain all the above routes. Like Airzim pointed out, those routes use several planes to complete, and CO isn't operating a huge T7 fleet. Look for either CO to take on some leased UA planes or reduce their European routes to 757 or 767 to use the 777 for Pacific flights. CO could always just order the 7E7 and use it instead.  Smile

AA777jr


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13507 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1984 times:
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Given that UA has parked 777-200A equipment that would be incompatible with the rest of CO's fleet, odds are that if CO needed more aircraft they'd simply sign a deal with Boeing to purchase additional airframes.

I wouldn't see CO using any of UA's 777 fleet even if they were an absolutely screaming deal - while you could argue that one 777 to CO is one less for UA to use, those parked 777s are actively costing UA money, and obviously they have no need for them right now anyway.

CO's better off with new equipment, both for fleet commonality as well as from a competitive standpoint vs. UA.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineCb777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

The B777LR is a perfect fit for CO. Hopefully within in the next 2 years they
will order the 7E7.


User currently offlineCO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

With cycling the planes through the system the fleet usage is less than what airzim posted mainly because a plane does not fly between two poists all the time which is what those numbers assume

IAH-NRT-2 planes
EWR-NRT-2 planes
EWR-HKG-2 planes
EWR-TLV-3 planes (two flights per day)
EWR-BJS-2 planes
EWR-PVG-2 planes
EWR-??? (DEL)-2 planes <------will not be hapening util 2006 or 2007
IAH-LGW- 2 (two flights per day)
IAH-CDG- 1
EWR-LGW- 1
EWR-AMS- 1


with out DEL that is 18 frames which is the total that they have right now, TLV useage coulg become 2 frames which would allow an aditional Europe flight. An order of 10 or so 777-300ERs for HKG, NRT, China, LGW and TLV might be very useful.



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User currently offlineCb777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

I think the B777-300ER may be a little too much for CO.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

UAL's Pratt powered 777s do match with CO's GE90 fleet of 777s

um... huh  Confused





I think the B777-300ER may be a little too much for CO.

...so does CO


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

hrmm, CO ordering the 777-300 would be akin to Frontier ordering the A380


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

hrmm, CO ordering the 777-300 would be akin to Frontier ordering the A380

God that's a crappy anaolgy....  Insane

CO has Ge90 powered 777s, they already opperate the common 772ER, and they have the capital to purchase aircraft, though it wouldn't prudent to do so. CO could easily opperate the 773ER, it's simply a matter of filling 60 extra seats all year round.

I can't believe I even had to dignify that with a response


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

I think this question could apply to DL as well. If they get a China route, five 777s would be allocated for China and their NRT route. Currently 3 are allocated to NRT. Concordeboy's response would work here as well "possibly" but not invevitable. And, oh yeah, DL needs to make money first  Smile


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1772 times:

Very true, B4real. DL needs to shut their pilots up first. Making money before buying planes is like putting gas in your car before a long trip, it just HAS to happen.


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4357 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Anyone know what options Continental has on other aircraft types?


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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

I think they might have options for a few more narrowbody frames, if I'm not mistaken, give the forum a fe wminutes, SOMEONE will undoubtedly fix this issue, lol.


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
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