Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6669 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2290 times:
I've thought about this as well, but given the massive capital costs, I'd say it's more likely that the necessary 777s will be placed on China, and the fleet cascaded/downgraded as necessary or practical from there.
ie: more 757s on intl routes across the pond, etc.
Tough to say especially given the new European routes as well.
SLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2034 times:
There are available 777s parked in the desert (UA's leased planes) right now that will may be available to CO if they do pick up more routes to Asia and do need to aquire more planes. However, UA got rid of those planes because they had the worst lease terms. If CO is going to pick them up, they need to be prepared for much of the same.
Aa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2009 times:
Given the current financial status of CO, that is an excellent idea for CO to take over 777 from UA that are parked. CO will eventually have to place a order for more aircraft if they obtain all the above routes. Like Airzim pointed out, those routes use several planes to complete, and CO isn't operating a huge T7 fleet. Look for either CO to take on some leased UA planes or reduce their European routes to 757 or 767 to use the 777 for Pacific flights. CO could always just order the 7E7 and use it instead.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13267 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1970 times:
Given that UA has parked 777-200A equipment that would be incompatible with the rest of CO's fleet, odds are that if CO needed more aircraft they'd simply sign a deal with Boeing to purchase additional airframes.
I wouldn't see CO using any of UA's 777 fleet even if they were an absolutely screaming deal - while you could argue that one 777 to CO is one less for UA to use, those parked 777s are actively costing UA money, and obviously they have no need for them right now anyway.
CO's better off with new equipment, both for fleet commonality as well as from a competitive standpoint vs. UA.
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CO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1873 times:
With cycling the planes through the system the fleet usage is less than what airzim posted mainly because a plane does not fly between two poists all the time which is what those numbers assume
EWR-TLV-3 planes (two flights per day)
EWR-??? (DEL)-2 planes <------will not be hapening util 2006 or 2007
IAH-LGW- 2 (two flights per day)
with out DEL that is 18 frames which is the total that they have right now, TLV useage coulg become 2 frames which would allow an aditional Europe flight. An order of 10 or so 777-300ERs for HKG, NRT, China, LGW and TLV might be very useful.
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DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1807 times:
hrmm, CO ordering the 777-300 would be akin to Frontier ordering the A380
God that's a crappy anaolgy....
CO has Ge90 powered 777s, they already opperate the common 772ER, and they have the capital to purchase aircraft, though it wouldn't prudent to do so. CO could easily opperate the 773ER, it's simply a matter of filling 60 extra seats all year round.
I can't believe I even had to dignify that with a response
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2613 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1783 times:
I think this question could apply to DL as well. If they get a China route, five 777s would be allocated for China and their NRT route. Currently 3 are allocated to NRT. Concordeboy's response would work here as well "possibly" but not invevitable. And, oh yeah, DL needs to make money first