Scotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3 Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2163 times:
Apologies if this has been posted and answered before. Why, as they are 49% owned by SQ, is VS not part of Star? Ownership aside, now that they have started Australia and soon to start India, it would seem logical to be part of an alliance which would benefit them.
FRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2316 posts, RR: 10 Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1989 times:
With VS both LHR AND LGW would become Star hubs. That is a very good question Scotron11.
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JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1974 times:
But LHR is already considered as a Star hub. You can fly with one their airlines to every continent from there and make a domestic connection with BMI.
VS would strenghen Star's hub in LHR, but not implement something what isn't already there.
N328KF From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1956 times:
VS would be better-served with SkyTeam (which has no British entrant), though that alliance is very top-heavy now.
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Englandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
Hello,
Apologies if this has been posted and answered before. Why, as they are 49% owned by SQ, is VS not part of Star? Ownership aside, now that they have started Australia and soon to start India, it would seem logical to be part of an alliance which would benefit them.
Just to let you know that VS have been serving DEL for a couple of years now using their own a/c (I believe A343) but using AI frequencies. They've recently been awarded their own frequencies to both DEL and BOM.
Aerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1515 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1702 times:
horrible idea!!! no benefit for VS to join STAR. Except for NZ and SQ they are all a bunch of mediocre airlines. As we've discussed before. VS, SQ, EK, NZ and VS should form their own alliance
N328KF From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1692 times:
RTFM:
Here's my idea. Take a 777 and put fake GE90-sized pods on the outside. If necessary, give them fans and allow them to windmill uselessly. Then SRB will surely buy.
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N328KF From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1674 times:
BTW, it'd still probably have a higher payload and lower fuel burn than the A340-600.
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UK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2550 posts, RR: 33 Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
I think that VS in Star Alliance would be very beneficial for BD/VS at LHR, but there are also negative matches between VS and other members of Star:
VS/SA - competing on LHR-South African routes;
VS/UA - competing on LHR-USA routes;
VS/LH - LH may be concerned at their own long-haul business being taken away??
VS/BD - PERFECT..... bring it on!
UA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1594 times:
If that were to happen, then BA and AA could make a good case before the regulatory authorities to have their proposed codeshare agreement approved without having to give up Heathrow slots. Remember that this issue was why they backed down last time. They weren't willing to give up LHR slots.
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2967 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1594 times:
horrible idea!!! no benefit for VS to join STAR. Except for NZ and SQ they are all a bunch of mediocre airlines. As we've discussed before. VS, SQ, EK, NZ and VS should form their own alliance
At the risk of being flamed, I agree.
I hope they never do. STAR is way too crowded and then they would have to paint one of their beautiful planes in the STAR world domintation scheme :P
My sentiments exactly.
Is there any chance of Virgin maybe starting up its own alliance?
Rtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 397 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1571 times:
I doubt it - even though VS may be a well respected brand and quality airline they are still quite small. And remember that SQ have defected once already, I can't see them being in a real hurry to do so again. NZ are hardly going to ditch the cover of one of the big 3 alliances for a speculative punt with VS and EK seem to be doing quite well on their own a the mo' and what would they need VS for anyway..?
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8492 posts, RR: 43 Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1550 times:
I think that's a bad idea for VS. They don't need an alliance, they have created their own culture with some very loyal consumers. What they should do is come up with a VirginEurope for european connections.
Oversees they already have VirginBlue in Australia, VirginNigeria, VirginAmerica is planned and I've heard rmors of a VirginChina or something like that.
So basicaly they have opened/planned a Virgin branch for local connections in every large market in the world, drawing in even more market shares.
As for Brazil, I doubt they could be succesful with a VirginBrasil, but they could always partner with TAM.
PPVRA
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N328KF From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1525 times:
PPVRA:
I think that's a bad idea for VS. They don't need an alliance, they have created their own culture with some very loyal consumers. What they should do is come up with a VirginEurope for european connections.:
I've got an idea. They can take over an ailing Belgian carrier, equip it with Boeing 737s, and call it Virgin Express. They can fly all over from from Brussels! Hey...wait a minute...
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PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8492 posts, RR: 43 Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1508 times:
I've got an idea. They can take over an ailing Belgian carrier, equip it with Boeing 737s, and call it Virgin Express. They can fly all over from from Brussels! Hey...wait a minute...
Doesn't help much if VirginExpress doesn't connect in London for Virgin's intercontinental flights...
PPVRA
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OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2967 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1452 times:
As for Brazil, I doubt they could be succesful with a VirginBrasil, but they could always partner with TAM.
Maybe a VirginPeru?
I say this because I think that there might be a market there, since N6 is practically dead and none of the other airlines there with the exception of LAN have that big of a network, and LAN is quite disliked by most Peruvians because it's Chilean.
25 FlyCaledonian: VS will only swallow BD over Sir Michael Bishops dead body. VS and BD might have very large minority shareholders in SQ and LH respectively, but the c
26 Scotron11: Come to think of it, why did SQ buy their stake in the first place? I know 49% isn't control, but surely it gives you something to say. Where is the s
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