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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

Apologies if this has been posted and answered before. Why, as they are 49% owned by SQ, is VS not part of Star? Ownership aside, now that they have started Australia and soon to start India, it would seem logical to be part of an alliance which would benefit them.

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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3308 times:

Very good point!

It makes all the sense for VS to join Star, especially because they could provide Star with an additional hub in Europe: LHR.

Rgs,


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

good question as well, this does need to be addresed, VS also codeshare with NZ on the LHR-LAX route as well,




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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

With VS both LHR AND LGW would become Star hubs. That is a very good question Scotron11.

Cheers...



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User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

I imagine it is BD related.

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

But LHR is already considered as a Star hub. You can fly with one their airlines to every continent from there and make a domestic connection with BMI.

VS would strenghen Star's hub in LHR, but not implement something what isn't already there.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

VS would be better-served with SkyTeam (which has no British entrant), though that alliance is very top-heavy now.


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User currently offlineEnglandair From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 2228 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Hello,

Apologies if this has been posted and answered before. Why, as they are 49% owned by SQ, is VS not part of Star? Ownership aside, now that they have started Australia and soon to start India, it would seem logical to be part of an alliance which would benefit them.

Just to let you know that VS have been serving DEL for a couple of years now using their own a/c (I believe A343) but using AI frequencies. They've recently been awarded their own frequencies to both DEL and BOM.

Thanks!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineDaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 690 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

I asked that question before and got the answer, that it is because of LH/UA since VS would take too much of their trans-atlantic business.

cheers,

ben


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

As a VS frequent flyer I'm glad they are not in Star.

I already can get VS miles on BD, HP, CO, DL, NZ SQ flights plus more, and this suits me fine.

I'd imagine demand for reward flights would increase alot if VS were to join Star so I'm against it.

I'm happy as things are.


User currently offlineRtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

VS will never be able to join an alliance as SRB doesn't agree them. Same as they will never be able to operate twins long-haul....  Acting devilish

User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

horrible idea!!! no benefit for VS to join STAR. Except for NZ and SQ they are all a bunch of mediocre airlines. As we've discussed before. VS, SQ, EK, NZ and VS should form their own alliance

User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

I hope they never do. STAR is way too crowded and then they would have to paint one of their beautiful planes in the STAR world domintation scheme Laugh out loud

With VS both LHR AND LGW would become Star hubs

I don't agree on the LGW part. If anything Oneworld currently dominated North terminal, but there is a good mix.

Sam



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

RTFM:

Here's my idea. Take a 777 and put fake GE90-sized pods on the outside. If necessary, give them fans and allow them to windmill uselessly. Then SRB will surely buy.



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User currently offlineRtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

N328KF - ROFLMAO!!!  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

BTW, it'd still probably have a higher payload and lower fuel burn than the A340-600.  Big grin

[Edited 2004-12-13 20:40:44]


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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2593 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

I think that VS in Star Alliance would be very beneficial for BD/VS at LHR, but there are also negative matches between VS and other members of Star:
VS/SA - competing on LHR-South African routes;
VS/UA - competing on LHR-USA routes;
VS/LH - LH may be concerned at their own long-haul business being taken away??
VS/BD - PERFECT..... bring it on!


User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

If that were to happen, then BA and AA could make a good case before the regulatory authorities to have their proposed codeshare agreement approved without having to give up Heathrow slots. Remember that this issue was why they backed down last time. They weren't willing to give up LHR slots.

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3327 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2768 times:

horrible idea!!! no benefit for VS to join STAR. Except for NZ and SQ they are all a bunch of mediocre airlines. As we've discussed before. VS, SQ, EK, NZ and VS should form their own alliance

At the risk of being flamed, I agree.

I hope they never do. STAR is way too crowded and then they would have to paint one of their beautiful planes in the STAR world domintation scheme :P

My sentiments exactly.

Is there any chance of Virgin maybe starting up its own alliance?


User currently offlineRtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

I doubt it - even though VS may be a well respected brand and quality airline they are still quite small. And remember that SQ have defected once already, I can't see them being in a real hurry to do so again. NZ are hardly going to ditch the cover of one of the big 3 alliances for a speculative punt with VS and EK seem to be doing quite well on their own a the mo' and what would they need VS for anyway..?

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

I think that's a bad idea for VS. They don't need an alliance, they have created their own culture with some very loyal consumers. What they should do is come up with a VirginEurope for european connections.

Oversees they already have VirginBlue in Australia, VirginNigeria, VirginAmerica is planned and I've heard rmors of a VirginChina or something like that.

So basicaly they have opened/planned a Virgin branch for local connections in every large market in the world, drawing in even more market shares.

As for Brazil, I doubt they could be succesful with a VirginBrasil, but they could always partner with TAM.

PPVRA



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

PPVRA:

I think that's a bad idea for VS. They don't need an alliance, they have created their own culture with some very loyal consumers. What they should do is come up with a VirginEurope for european connections.:

I've got an idea. They can take over an ailing Belgian carrier, equip it with Boeing 737s, and call it Virgin Express. They can fly all over from from Brussels! Hey...wait a minute...



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

I've got an idea. They can take over an ailing Belgian carrier, equip it with Boeing 737s, and call it Virgin Express. They can fly all over from from Brussels! Hey...wait a minute...

Doesn't help much if VirginExpress doesn't connect in London for Virgin's intercontinental flights...

PPVRA



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

There were rumours that VS would swallow BD up.

I would love to see the VS A32X's again, they were cool little birds. I sure wish they would do euro ops but it won't happen so not point wishing!



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3327 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

As for Brazil, I doubt they could be succesful with a VirginBrasil, but they could always partner with TAM.

Maybe a VirginPeru?

I say this because I think that there might be a market there, since N6 is practically dead and none of the other airlines there with the exception of LAN have that big of a network, and LAN is quite disliked by most Peruvians because it's Chilean.


25 FlyCaledonian : VS will only swallow BD over Sir Michael Bishops dead body. VS and BD might have very large minority shareholders in SQ and LH respectively, but the c
26 Scotron11 : Come to think of it, why did SQ buy their stake in the first place? I know 49% isn't control, but surely it gives you something to say. Where is the s
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