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US Airways Flight Attendants Ready For Strike  
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9181 times:

Uh oh..not looking good...so it all boils down to what the Federal Court decides regarding the voiding of the contract.

full story at...

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/041213/airlines_usairways_1.html


"Up the Irons!"
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User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9146 times:

Ya... Good luck with that. I hope Taco Bell is hiring.

User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9128 times:

Studid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, STUPID!!!!!!!!

What the heck are they thinking, it makes no sense. If they don't want to fly in their situation, then quit, because if they strike, they are going to be out of a job anyway. USE COMMEN SENSE here people.

-SOAC



Non Illegitimi Carborundum
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9092 times:

I have a mixed view on this...but I think most will agree there is too much overcapacity still....and a few aircarriers will have to go before this situation begins to clear itself up......its not fair to the people who are on the short end of it, but thats how capitalism works in the end....even though the Govt. mostly obfuscates and hinders the obvious


"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

There is deffinitly over capacity in the market which is very tough on the airlines. However, to see a workgroup inside one of these struggling airlines to draw out the blade, ready to slash their collective wrist on this, is truly amazing to me. When union work groups control your fate it's not capitalism at all, It's socialism. Power to the people...

User currently offlineJettatco From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8987 times:

If management is allowed to void contracts, maybe the pay at Taco Bell will be better, They are not standing up for their jobs, they know it's a lost cause, they are protecting the rest of our jobs. I hail them!

User currently offlineNwa757300 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 299 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8884 times:

With management cancelling pension plans, mandating massive paycuts and cutting medical benefits for retirees. What do the employees have to loose? Management is taking away everything that made their jobs careers.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8743 times:

With management cancelling pension plans, mandating massive paycuts and cutting medical benefits for retirees. What do the employees have to loose?

Hmm.. whatever paycheck they are currently receiving... their homes.. their cars.. their medical.. their dental.. their savings.. their retirement.. any respect from the fellow groups... any benefits for retirees.. EVERYTHING!!!.. what airline is going to hair the tens of thousands of people that will no longer be working?



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8715 times:

its called "scaling" back..its unfortunate, and many have to and will need to do it.....

not good for the broader economy, but we cant have capitalism work with all this govt. heavy-handedness......its time that we let the capital system work itself out.......

its plainly obvious there is overcapacity....and until this overcapacity is not finished, it will be a sloooooow bleed.....

sorry, but this is the (unwanted) side-effects of capitalism.......

want socialism, go back to North Korea..........I'll take capitalism anyday over it..



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8688 times:

I'm going to side with Jacobin777 in this case. But to be more blunt about my opinion, I'm sick of hearing these second-rate F/A's think they are going to save an airline that doesn't give a s**t about them in either case by striking against them. It just gives management more ammo to take to the bankruptcy judge. and I hope NO AIRLINE hires former US strikers. As Jacobin777 says, "want socialism, go back to North Korea..........I'll take capitalism anyday over it.." I agree wholeheartedly. If you want to strike, bi**h and complain, and piss and whine over it, go to Greece (that's where I'm from, and people there KNOW how to complain, even though the strikes there don't do jack for the strikers).


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User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8676 times:

I support the US air Flight attendants 100 % .... And most of all thank them for standing up for f/a's everywhere !!!


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8659 times:

The fact of the matter is, while the industry is doing badly, US Airways is doing exceptionally bad. You can't defend US as a viable company because they aren't. They might have nice people, but the airline has been doomed to fail for a long long while... the writing was on the wall years ago. Their entire strategy has been flawed since the start... let's just be glad it's almost over.

User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8655 times:

I couldnt have said it better myself, dfwrevolution.


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User currently offlineISP From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8651 times:

WesternA318:

Your views are off base & rude. US F/A's are far from "second-rate" - they are the finest in the industry.

If they do strike, they may be protecting wages for their peers in the industry. The same peers such as UA F/A's, who were seen spitting on US F/A's in SFO during the planned failed merger of 2000. I would say that is quite a sacrifice to make.

Support the US workgroups in any way you can.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

You're absolutely right, it was rude. But I meant it, and no one else stifles their opinions, lol. I will refuse to support US UA or DL F/A's, or pilots, respectively.


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8550 times:

WesternA318,
You said in an earlier thread "I haven't flown on UA since the summer of 94, and it was bad then, I can't IMAGINE what it's like now."

In your profile you are 21-25, giving the benefit of the doubt, that would have made you 15 years old since 94' and you were a connoisseur of aviation even at that age? Most 15 year olds are worried about girls and sports, and you were unhappy with UAL even as far back as 94'? Wow, we really must suck.

I will refuse to support US UA or DL F/A's, or pilots, respectively.

Sad, a little heavy metal guy doesn't support 3 majors. Nuts
Lots of laughs, western

UAL 777 CONTRAILS


User currently offlinePacificWestern From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8540 times:

I have no opinion for or against the decision of the FAs to strike. What they do won't affect me either way. But I would like ask a couple of questions to the posters...

Have any of you ever worked for US Air and know what it's like to walk in the shoes of any of their employees so as to make your judgements? It's always much more fun to be the one throwing the scalding water than to be the one who is receiving it in the face.

And as I'm just some dumb Canadian, I am unaware of so many laws in the United States, but do the FAs still have the legal right to strike? If so, gosh, how dare they exercise their legal rights.

It's interesting to read so much hostility directed at a group of people whom none of you know personally....other than the fact that they don't fall in line with your own particular political beliefs. I'm sure many of you bemoan the fact that if the FAs do go on strike, they can't be punished by being hanged, or getting a bullet in their heads.



User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8531 times:

I dont think WesternA318 comments are not off base or rude, he's expressing his opinion....

it seems only lately that F/A's for US Aircarriers are getting better because they know that their jobs are on the line.......its nice to see alot of that flippin' attitude go away....though I still see it time to time


don't see it too often on International flights, though I did see some bad F/A's on a VS flight from ORD-LHR...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8520 times:

What do I do guys, I have to fly US on the 30th of December? Should I cancel and rebook with DL or AA??????

I am in a REAL DILEMMA! HELP!


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8513 times:

UAL777,

I have been an airline NUT since about the age of 8, and overly interested since the first time I remember being at the airport maybe when I was what, 4-5? Those 3 majors don't have my support for a multitude of reasons. By the time I was 15, I had a nice little list of airlines to avoid flying again, as well as favorites. I never did worry about girls or sports, even now I don't, sports are for jocks, and if I find a girl, great, if not, better, as then my thrice-weekly flying will not be bothered, lol. I love my jobs too much to worry about petty stuff like that. i take my airline career too serious for most people, especially some woman who doesn't understand this obsession, lol.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8494 times:

I do not see US Airways ceasing operations right away, there will most probably be an "announcement" period like ATA has done......

not sure about the ffmileage though.....  Sad



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineAa717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8478 times:

Why should the U employees continue to help Bronner and the creditors recoup their bad investments by working for Taco Bell wages?

And, yes, I've been there. I worked for Icahn and it got to where we were willing to burn TWA down to keep Ichan from getting one more penny.

Good luck to the only crewmembers with any balls at U!TC



FL450, M.85
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5727 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8465 times:

"And, yes, I've been there. I worked for Icahn and it got to where we were willing to burn TWA down to keep Ichan from getting one more penny."

Amen, AA77driver! I was there as well, and I hope we personally never deal with that again.



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User currently offlineBIGBlack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8464 times:

The good people of US have been good to me and bashing everyone at US, UA, and DL is ignorant especially from you junior.



[Edited 2004-12-14 05:50:43]


Someone special in the air
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25710 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8462 times:
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Jacobin:

(i) Strikes are part of the capitalist system. There are certain conditions attached to them (the Railway Labor Act), but workers in this capitalist society have the eventual right to strike.

(ii) There is a difference between socialism and communism.

(iii) North Korea is not a socialist country, it is a communist country.

(iv) Strikes are forbidden in communist countries.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Mariner.......touche...you got me on (iii), hence (ii) and (iv), I should have used the term "communism" or at the very least, Union of Soviet Sociali
26 Tcfc424 : Refusing to fly DL because of what is going on with the F/A's at US and UA is exceptionally interesting to me. The reason that is, Western, is that DL
27 Wbmech : DC10guy, I too support the US fa's 100%. They are not only standing up for themselves and other fa's in the industry, but also for the rest of our uni
28 Aa767400 : Why do these topics always end up on how rude "Flight Attendants" are, and how they all deserve to be working at Taco Bell? WesternA318, How the heck
29 WesternA318 : Tcfc424, DL's F/A's are not the reason I don;'t fly them, I have many MOE reasons for not flying DL. Their F/A's don't have a part in it. Those are ju
30 Burnsie28 : NA NA NA NA NA, NA NA NA NA, HEY HEY HEY, GOODBYE Actually it might be smart, if US goes someone will have to pick up a bit of the slack, and airlines
31 Frugalqxnwa : I certainly appreciate that US f/a are feeling a real financial pinch with the givebacks they have been forced to swallow since 9/11. However, I belie
32 DeltaGuy : But to be more blunt about my opinion, I'm sick of hearing these second-rate F/A's think they are going to save an airline that doesn't give a s**t ab
33 Burnsie28 : I agree with DeltaGuy, while the industry will take a little while 4-5 more years, before its POSSIBLE that airline employees will see that in which t
34 WesternA318 : You know, it usually takes Burnsie to straighten me out, lol. You are correct burnsie, if US tanks, may the best crews o to AA, CO, F9, FL and the oth
35 NW747-400 : US was a great company before 9/11, but the F/A's know its coming to an end whether they strike or not. If and when they strike, they will not be savi
36 Supa7E7 : This thread is total crap. More likely the FAs will still strike a deal in the coming days. They are not into romantic seppuku like so many of you boy
37 Post contains images PHLBOS : NA NA NA NA NA, NA NA NA NA, HEY HEY HEY, GOODBYE Burnsie28, You may want to re-hum that tune to yourself. I think you have an extra 'NA' and 'HEY'. U
38 Ckfred : First of all, I'm not sure that the strike is legal. I know that the "cooling-off" provisions of the Railway Labor Act didn't envision a bankruptcy co
39 ExFATboy : I'd like to think that the average FA at US realizes that striking could be the end of the airline. I don't know if it's just that they are so frustra
40 LegendDC9 : How exactly are the US F/A's striking protects other F/A groups? So the airline is having to take away money, pension plans and probably change some w
41 Aa717driver : Ckfred--I don't know the exact mechanism but if a company uses 1113 to void or change the labor agreements in bankrutpcy, the employees have the right
42 Elwood64151 : There is deffinitly over capacity in the market which is very tough on the airlines. However, to see a workgroup inside one of these struggling airlin
43 Rwylie77 : Well, I will no longer fly with US Airways...I will never fly with an airline who's employees strike as they obviously don't care about their company
44 N867bx : Lotsa talk in this thread about US employees flippin burgers or workin at Taco Bell. What makes you think they could KEEP a job at Taco Bell without u
45 ATLhomeCMH : When, exactly, are the Feds supposed to rule on the contracts? Before the holidays? If they end up striking during the holidays, they might as well ju
46 LegendDC9 : Elwood64151, nice thesis :P The only thing I disagree with you is this: "Whilst I agree the union is doing more harm than good these days, I don't agr
47 Ual777contrail : I don't know if anybody working for airlines have heard, The unions AFA/IAM and such are trying organize a complete shut down for one day. They want U
48 Gigneil : If they do strike, they may be protecting wages for their peers in the industry. I assure you, that's not what's on their mind. N
49 Elwood64151 : They would rather not and make more money, but they can afford to put out these $39 fares, the majors can't. However, if there was a more demand for t
50 BENNETT123 : It seems to me that US will go down whatever happens. Can anyone think of a viable alternative. If I worked for US, my C.V. would be with every airli
51 WesternA318 : Elwood, you took the words right out of my mouth! My wife's Maid of honor worked for Vanguard out of MCI, and she also knew what was going on. "If the
52 ETStar : Yaaaaaaaay! With US's demise, all other airlines (ok, a number of them) will see additional revenues streaming their way! Excellent! (I am trying to b
53 ATLhomeCMH : Someone, please...when is the date of the Federal hearing? December or January? If they do strike, they may be protecting wages for their peers in the
54 UAL747DEN : I hope they do strike, they will sit outside with signs in their hands and that will be the training that they need for the future, their only chance
55 Willbdsp : If US F/A's strike, does that include the F/A's who work for the non-wholly owned express carriers like Trans State and Chautauqua?
56 LegendDC9 : The regional F/A's should not be affected since they are on a different contract with their respective carriers. Although, if this happens to a point
57 WesternA318 : "If simply running more flights was the answer to making money, as you suggest, there would be no airline crisis." Air Florida, and Braniff especially
58 Post contains links and images Qqflyboy : I don't think US flight attendants have any illusions that striking will save the airline. They know it's over and they're simply, "Going out with a b
59 Mariner : Qqflyboy: That is one of the best, most logical posts I have read in a long time. Congratulations and good luck to you. cheers mariner
60 WesternA318 : Way to go, Qgflyboy! Let's Git-R-Done! I was correct in my thinking that it's almost the same pay rate as a McD employee with maybe a year or two unde
61 Qqflyboy : Mariner, Thank you.
62 Moman : Qqflyboy: Your post is excellent but it misses the following two MAJOR points regarding pensions: -Pensions are NOT reduced to zero. The federal gover
63 LegendDC9 : Qqflyboy, I liked your post but if I could throw a few things out there... "No union has control over any airline. Whatever the employees have in thei
64 Qqflyboy : Moman... I understand that pensions will not be cut outright, and that the Penision Benefit Guarantee Corportation will step in, however, the limits y
65 ExFATboy : Qqflyboy - great post, was very informative. But the "going out with a bang" - the FAs are willing to destroy the jobs of the pilots, the mechanics, a
66 Ual777contrail : Qqflyboy, That was really a cute little comparison, but MCd's isn't affected by rising fuel prices, unions, WX, lowering costs, these are all subject
67 MidnightMike : Qqflyboy You said some good things, but, when it comes to a contract, no matter how good the contract is, or, how bad. Two sides are to blame, Company
68 KITH : Why don't airlines just get RID of the seniority system. Make it like many other jobs, If I have 20 yrs experience, am pulling down 150+k/yr and my co
69 Qqflyboy : Since I am not a US Air flight attendant, I can only speculate as to the reasons they would want to strike. But logic tells me they are trying to prov
70 Qqflyboy : Midnightmike... I think you have a fantasy view of the power unions hold. It's not like it used to be. But this has brought up a point shared with me
71 Ual777contrail : Qqflyboy, I am not arguing with you, I agree with a few topics you mentioned earlier. I just think that there use to be prestige to this job, everybo
72 Jacobin777 : " Besides, every industry has it's own benefits that are unique" WRONG! I worked not only in the health industry for 10 years, but also in a Hospital
73 Ltbewr : The situation with the legacy USA airlines is similar to something I recently read about the demise of the domestically controled British automobile i
74 Post contains images JetMechMD80 : "NA NA NA NA NA, NA NA NA NA, HEY HEY HEY, GOODBYE" I believe its "SHAH NAH NAH NAH...NAH NAH NAH NAH, SAY HEY HEY GOODBYE" Maybe I am wrong here.
75 WesternA318 : "(87% in favor) is, hopefully, the ammunition they'll need to get management to realize the attack on labor has got to end." Management is not attacki
76 Qqflyboy : UAL777... Hey, I totally agree with your post. Things have got to change, but making the change entirely with your employee's salaries and benefits is
77 Qqflyboy : Correction: I made a math error in my original post regarding the actual per hour pay a flight attendant at US Air makes. Following is the correct for
78 Annoyedfa : I AM SO PROUD OF THEM FOR TAKING A STAND! Showing WE TOO have a say in the company! STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE! I would do it right along with
79 CO737800 : It will be sad to see US AIR go under cause that's what will happen if they go out. It was just a matter of time till US Air went under. 1 more big ai
80 Post contains images Cessnapimp : So, what's the update on the situation, do we know when the judge will give his decision on whether to abrogate the contracts or not? Are the flight
81 Copter808 : "I AM SO PROUD OF THEM FOR TAKING A STAND! Showing WE TOO have a say in the company! STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE! I would do it right along wit
82 Boeing7E7 : If there was any question that USAirways was loaded with the lowest common denominators from the top down, then it's been resolved. Of course, the str
83 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Anyone wanna buy a quarter million Dividend Miles - cheap - while they still have value?
84 Acvitale : AnnoyedFA is a young testostrone fueled male who has never had to live thru a shutdown and try to support for your family. Let me tell you business ow
85 Jacobin777 : Qqflyboy...your sis-in-law isn't going to complain because most residents (and doctors in general) have more patience and generally do not tend to com
86 Post contains links Uswyjer : Surprised this hasn't really come up yet, US and the AFA have reached a tentative agreement: http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/stocks/transportation/101
87 Post contains images Annoyedfa : ACVITALE: Get a life.... I have the right to say what I want when I want and it's not your business. I am on a public forum and you don't have ANY ide
88 Haveric : AnnoyedFA: 1. read the press release -- the strike appears to have been averted.2 2. you're a new member to A.net. show a bit of respect for some of t
89 Falcon84 : Hey, USAir F/A: Continental is hiring for positions in EWR. Just, uh, leave your idiotic militancy at the airport entrance, thank you.
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