SonOfACaptain From United States, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4572 times:
What the heck are they thinking, it makes no sense. If they don't want to fly in their situation, then quit, because if they strike, they are going to be out of a job anyway. USE COMMEN SENSE here people.
Jacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 12774 posts, RR: 57 Reply 3, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4536 times:
I have a mixed view on this...but I think most will agree there is too much overcapacity still....and a few aircarriers will have to go before this situation begins to clear itself up......its not fair to the people who are on the short end of it, but thats how capitalism works in the end....even though the Govt. mostly obfuscates and hinders the obvious
LegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4498 times:
There is deffinitly over capacity in the market which is very tough on the airlines. However, to see a workgroup inside one of these struggling airlines to draw out the blade, ready to slash their collective wrist on this, is truly amazing to me. When union work groups control your fate it's not capitalism at all, It's socialism. Power to the people...
Jettatco From United States, joined Oct 2004, 24 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4431 times:
If management is allowed to void contracts, maybe the pay at Taco Bell will be better, They are not standing up for their jobs, they know it's a lost cause, they are protecting the rest of our jobs. I hail them!
Nwa757300 From United States, joined Oct 2001, 214 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4328 times:
With management cancelling pension plans, mandating massive paycuts and cutting medical benefits for retirees. What do the employees have to loose? Management is taking away everything that made their jobs careers.
ERJ170 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 5466 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4187 times:
With management cancelling pension plans, mandating massive paycuts and cutting medical benefits for retirees. What do the employees have to loose?
Hmm.. whatever paycheck they are currently receiving... their homes.. their cars.. their medical.. their dental.. their savings.. their retirement.. any respect from the fellow groups... any benefits for retirees.. EVERYTHING!!!.. what airline is going to hair the tens of thousands of people that will no longer be working?
Jacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 12774 posts, RR: 57 Reply 8, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4159 times:
its called "scaling" back..its unfortunate, and many have to and will need to do it.....
not good for the broader economy, but we cant have capitalism work with all this govt. heavy-handedness......its time that we let the capital system work itself out.......
its plainly obvious there is overcapacity....and until this overcapacity is not finished, it will be a sloooooow bleed.....
sorry, but this is the (unwanted) side-effects of capitalism.......
want socialism, go back to North Korea..........I'll take capitalism anyday over it..
WesternA318 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4272 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4132 times:
I'm going to side with Jacobin777 in this case. But to be more blunt about my opinion, I'm sick of hearing these second-rate F/A's think they are going to save an airline that doesn't give a s**t about them in either case by striking against them. It just gives management more ammo to take to the bankruptcy judge. and I hope NO AIRLINE hires former US strikers. As Jacobin777 says, "want socialism, go back to North Korea..........I'll take capitalism anyday over it.." I agree wholeheartedly. If you want to strike, bi**h and complain, and piss and whine over it, go to Greece (that's where I'm from, and people there KNOW how to complain, even though the strikes there don't do jack for the strikers).
Get that worldly look, one country at a time. Work Hard, Fly Right.
DfwRevolution From United States, joined Mar 2004, 7684 posts, RR: 55 Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4103 times:
The fact of the matter is, while the industry is doing badly, US Airways is doing exceptionally bad. You can't defend US as a viable company because they aren't. They might have nice people, but the airline has been doomed to fail for a long long while... the writing was on the wall years ago. Their entire strategy has been flawed since the start... let's just be glad it's almost over.
WesternA318 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4272 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4099 times:
I couldnt have said it better myself, dfwrevolution.
Get that worldly look, one country at a time. Work Hard, Fly Right.
ISP From United States, joined Sep 2004, 101 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4095 times:
WesternA318:
Your views are off base & rude. US F/A's are far from "second-rate" - they are the finest in the industry.
If they do strike, they may be protecting wages for their peers in the industry. The same peers such as UA F/A's, who were seen spitting on US F/A's in SFO during the planned failed merger of 2000. I would say that is quite a sacrifice to make.
WesternA318 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4272 posts, RR: 16 Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4036 times:
You're absolutely right, it was rude. But I meant it, and no one else stifles their opinions, lol. I will refuse to support US UA or DL F/A's, or pilots, respectively.
Get that worldly look, one country at a time. Work Hard, Fly Right.
Ual777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3994 times:
WesternA318,
You said in an earlier thread "I haven't flown on UA since the summer of 94, and it was bad then, I can't IMAGINE what it's like now."
In your profile you are 21-25, giving the benefit of the doubt, that would have made you 15 years old since 94' and you were a connoisseur of aviation even at that age? Most 15 year olds are worried about girls and sports, and you were unhappy with UAL even as far back as 94'? Wow, we really must suck.
I will refuse to support US UA or DL F/A's, or pilots, respectively.
Sad, a little heavy metal guy doesn't support 3 majors.
Lots of laughs, western
PacificWestern From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3984 times:
I have no opinion for or against the decision of the FAs to strike. What they do won't affect me either way. But I would like ask a couple of questions to the posters...
Have any of you ever worked for US Air and know what it's like to walk in the shoes of any of their employees so as to make your judgements? It's always much more fun to be the one throwing the scalding water than to be the one who is receiving it in the face.
And as I'm just some dumb Canadian, I am unaware of so many laws in the United States, but do the FAs still have the legal right to strike? If so, gosh, how dare they exercise their legal rights.
It's interesting to read so much hostility directed at a group of people whom none of you know personally....other than the fact that they don't fall in line with your own particular political beliefs. I'm sure many of you bemoan the fact that if the FAs do go on strike, they can't be punished by being hanged, or getting a bullet in their heads.
Jacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 12774 posts, RR: 57 Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3975 times:
I dont think WesternA318 comments are not off base or rude, he's expressing his opinion....
it seems only lately that F/A's for US Aircarriers are getting better because they know that their jobs are on the line.......its nice to see alot of that flippin' attitude go away....though I still see it time to time
don't see it too often on International flights, though I did see some bad F/A's on a VS flight from ORD-LHR...
WesternA318 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4272 posts, RR: 16 Reply 19, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3957 times:
UAL777,
I have been an airline NUT since about the age of 8, and overly interested since the first time I remember being at the airport maybe when I was what, 4-5? Those 3 majors don't have my support for a multitude of reasons. By the time I was 15, I had a nice little list of airlines to avoid flying again, as well as favorites. I never did worry about girls or sports, even now I don't, sports are for jocks, and if I find a girl, great, if not, better, as then my thrice-weekly flying will not be bothered, lol. I love my jobs too much to worry about petty stuff like that. i take my airline career too serious for most people, especially some woman who doesn't understand this obsession, lol.
Get that worldly look, one country at a time. Work Hard, Fly Right.
Jacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 12774 posts, RR: 57 Reply 20, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3938 times:
I do not see US Airways ceasing operations right away, there will most probably be an "announcement" period like ATA has done......
Aa717driver From United States, joined Feb 2002, 1557 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3922 times:
Why should the U employees continue to help Bronner and the creditors recoup their bad investments by working for Taco Bell wages?
And, yes, I've been there. I worked for Icahn and it got to where we were willing to burn TWA down to keep Ichan from getting one more penny.
Good luck to the only crewmembers with any balls at U!TC
WesternA318 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 4272 posts, RR: 16 Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3909 times:
"And, yes, I've been there. I worked for Icahn and it got to where we were willing to burn TWA down to keep Ichan from getting one more penny."
Amen, AA77driver! I was there as well, and I hope we personally never deal with that again.
Get that worldly look, one country at a time. Work Hard, Fly Right.
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