Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13838 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1446 times:
If you notice, EWR is part of my screen name here and I am embarresed and dissapointed by this SNAFU. It isn't the first time this has happend in the US or the world, or the last. We are dealing with fallable human beings here. How many of us, even with training, could be a TSA agent day after day and not screw it up and miss a dummy or even a real bomb, especially of a sophicated and well hidden design?
Annoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1442 times:
This makes me sick. I am EWR based and I knew something like this was bound to fail. For 3 years I have noticed these people not so much as look at the screen. For 3 years I have gone through with items that are forbidden and only stopped twice to check my hair spray bottle. AMAZING! Just so everyone knows the fake bomb make it as far as on board the CO flight to AMS.... My blood is boiling.... and I do a turn tomorrow hmmmm........
TWAMD-80 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1006 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1436 times:
At least the "bomb" was a fake and not a real one like the incident that happened to Air France. The last that I heard, they still haven't found the explosives. It seems rather irresponsible to put real explosives on a passenger aircraft even if the detonators are removed.
Two A-4's, left ten o'clock level continue left turn!
NorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2007 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1405 times:
When i went to texas last summer on united the agent watching the bag xray monitor was eating breakfast and talking to another tsa agent.
Neither of them looked at the screen once in about 20 mins !!!!!!
Copter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1566 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1369 times:
I flew through EWR today (12/15/04). I heard from my wife that this was not made public until today--yet someone mentioned it to me yesterday in either BKK or NRT!
Anyway, the biggest problem here is that the bag was not tracked by the people who were doing the "test"! No excuse for that.
How can it happen that the screeners miss it? Have you EVER been looking at a computer screen for 8 hours and missed something? Most of us would never know, unless someone brought it to our attention. As long as we have Humans doing the job, things will be missed. We will never achieve 100% effectiveness, we just want to make darn sure that we achieve well over 99%.
I arrived from NRT and rechecked my bags to ORD. It appeared that there was only one person operating the bag scanner and he was A--H--- deep in bags as he was accepting them from the passengers, loading them in the scanner, and it looked like he was also the one viewing the scan. THIS is how things get by unnoticed! Is it the TSA agents fault? I think it is more a result of supervisory staffing.
In the example I just cited, if it happened as I thought it did, probably the CORRECT thing for the TSA agent to do would be to shut down the entire line until he had time to examine EACH bag! That would have resulted in a LOT of unhappy people, both passengers and airline staff.
What would YOU do in such a position?
I'm not justifying what happened, only offering an explanation of how it can happen.