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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Ailing United Airlines looks to scrap $250 million automated baggage system?

Why does the press say this? I thought Ua was doing well? and the baggage system, what is that and where?


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

I believe that United uses the automated baggage system at DIA and the rest of the system was scrapped. This according to the History Channel.

I have heard from a.net that the entire thing was scrapped but then I saw Modern Marvels on the history channel which showed (literally) the system operating while they interviewed technicians.


User currently offlineSfo777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

DIA finally got this working after a year delay serving UAL, the rest of the airlines went for a substituted non-automated baggage system. The whole fiasco cost DIA opening a year late and probably $$$ for UAL.

User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

I think if UAL went under that would help CO,AA and Delta become strong again.It would suck to see such a great airline go but I think it is needed.

User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

NEWSFLASH: United has been in Chapter 11 protection for about two years, give or take a few days. Hardly "doing well" in my opinion...

-WGW2707


User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

NEWSFLASH: United has been in Chapter 11 protection for about two years, give or take a few days. Hardly "doing well" in my opinion...

NEWSFLASH: America West was in bankruptcy for over 3.


User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

NEWSFLASH, this happened over a year ago.

The baggage system that UA ended up paying for during DIA's construction pre-1995 ended up causing more headaches that convenience, so they tossed it. I happened to receive a tour of the underbelly of DIA just before they were about to scrap it, in winter 2003. The system was quite unreliable.

The $250mm was a sunk cost from over a decade ago, so I don't know what the doom and gloom is all about.

Where do you get your news, the internet archive?

[Edited 2004-12-16 16:01:32]

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6559 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

NEWSFLASH: America West was in bankruptcy for over 3.

What's your point????????  Confused

Referring to UAL as "ailing" is not a stretch.

[Edited 2004-12-16 16:07:42]


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineF9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

I've heard that UA installed new scanners and new computers, and they also fixed some engineering problems with sections of the track. They use the system for all O/D and connecting traffic at DEN, except hot transfers. I find it interesting that UA is talking about scrapping the system that they insisted was needed to operate efficiently at DEN.  Insane

F9Fan


User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

F9Fan, they are not *talking* about scrapping the system, it was scrapped *months* ago. The issues were with the manufacturer failing to make the system perform as contracted. Why keep a shitty product that's causing more grief than benefit??

Now UA uses the same old system as everyone else. They did install new scanners for their baggage tracking/reporting system, but the automated system is gone, has been gone, and ain't coming back.


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

UA and DEN, what a joke...they build up that airport and poor millions into it, and how many international flights originate non-stop from there? It's rather sad. I thought UA was gonna grow the new DEN...it hasn't happened in their 3+ yrs of bankruptcy. I saw that show on the baggage system at DEN, and everyone they interview said it was crap and has never worked right, it doesn't even do minimum work that lowly airports can accomplish hassle free.

AA777jr


User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

aa777jr,
CO didn't have the flights UAL has now in DEN. If you are referring just the international flights then that they don't have. I don't remember UAL ever saying they were going to do mass I-flights. In my opinion DIA is a beautiful airport, it is clean, easy to get around, and lastly easy to connect. It doesn't have the WX delays ORD has or SFO. We very seldom get diversions from DIA, maybe 10 days a year.

What is you real beef? No international flights?


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

I just thought, from what I read, UA was going in super heavy to DEN as a hub, and in reality they just don't impress me at all there. The way they handle the luggage, their routing system out of DEN, the planes they fly in there/or not fly in there anymore. They definitely could not only do themselves a favor, but also ORD, if they added flights. I think with UA ailing so much financially, they could surely put their DEN hub to better use with international and domestic flights, for that matter. UA takes one step forward, and two steps backwards.

Regards,
AA777jr


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1733 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Aa777jr :
UA has established DEN a major domestic hub. How many other International Airlines fly to DEN? Not that many, the biggest is probably LH's 346 service. UA has made DEN into a beautiful,clean, convienient airport giving lots of jobs, etc. Except for their baggage system, I would say that DIA is pretty near flawless, how many other airports have that title?


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

the biggest is probably LH's 346 service

UA failure to compete with international carrier, lame


I would say that DIA is pretty near flawless

your allegiance to UA is forgivable, UA at DEN is fare from your claims of flawless


User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

So when did LH start flying a A346 into DEN? I thought it was a A343x they flew in there.

BoeingFever777,



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

Still waiting on NW to push UA out of DEN and turn it into their hub to fly Pacific flights...  Smile

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

the biggest is probably LH's 346 service

UA failure to compete with international carrier, lame


Alright hotshot, why would UA compete with it's own partner, Lufthansa, on DEN-FRA? Wouldn't that kind of not make any sense, when UA can just codeshare on the LH flight? Afterall, isn't that THE ENTIRE POINT IN HAVING AN ALLIANCE?

Still waiting on NW to push UA out of DEN and turn it into their hub to fly Pacific flights...

You're kidding, right?  Insane

[Edited 2004-12-20 08:10:45]

User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Denver is a Domestic hub for UAL, anyone who thinks it was going to be used for many Long Haul INTL op's is a moron. They have KLAX and KSFO and KORD for those.

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Don't forget KIAD.  Big grin

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Aa777jr ,
You live in Austin,TX. I live 72 miles south of DIA. UAL's flights are many from DIA, I work a majority of them daily, and you're going to tell ME that DIA isn't flawless? What is your definition of flawless? Compared to UA's other hubs, Dia has never been bad. We get about 10-15 days a summer when the WX goes south, and diverts come. But what am I telling you this, you don't even work for an airline.

~~~~your allegiance to UA is forgivable

Oh, Thank you so much, master. Thank you boss, I am sorry for my loyalty. Insane


~~~~~Still waiting on NW to push UA out of DEN and turn it into their hub to fly Pacific flights.

Put the pipe down, You live in a fantasy land.

UAL 777 CONTRAIL


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

I read an article in the Denver Post suggesting that if UA goes under NW would move in, or DL would move from SLC to DEN. I'm not putting the pipe down quite yet.  Smokin cool

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

First of all, I don't even want to respond to moronic comments by our little friend AA777jr. He doesn't know shit. Second, we at UAL still use automated baggage system. Yes, it has its flaws, but in my opinion, we definitely need it. Instead of scrapping it alltogether, it definitely needs to be improved. The old tug and cart system would be a royal pain in the ass.

Alex.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25561 posts, RR: 86
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1584 times:
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Aa777jr:

Why would UAL or any airline, turn DEN into a major international hub - or even a minor one? Especially NWA who have huge hubs in the middle of the country already.

I mean, just how many international hubs does NWA - or any airline - need?

Most pax coming to the US from Asia and Australia want to go to West Coast. Most pax from Europe want to go to either the East Coast or the West Coast - non-stop. And vice versa.

For those that want to go to/from the middle, apart from NWA's hubs, they have ORD and DFW.

Mexico? Happening - both Frontier and UAL.

South America? There isn't that much traffic from DEN to South America, and again, those that do go have DFW and IAH.

Will DEN get some more international service? For sure. Will it get a lot more? Not for a while.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

Why would UAL or any airline, turn DEN into a major international hub - or even a minor one? Especially NWA who have huge hubs in the middle of the country already.

I think you should contact the Denver Post Editor-in-Chief and ask him.  Smile




25 JpetekYXMD80 : I think you should contact the Denver Post Editor-in-Chief and ask him. So? OOoh the almighty editor-in-cheif, i can pretty much assure you aviation w
26 Mariner : "I think you should contact the Denver Post Editor in Chief and ask him." Oh, sure. The editor of a newspaper knows a HUGE amount about successfully r
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