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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5497 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041216/nyth053_1.html

I had read somewhere that there were 2 different bid packets out there for FL crews, one if MDW happened and one if not. There are several jets arriving in the next couple of months. Can anyone here (perhaps part of a FL crew) shed any light as to where these aircraft will be placed or what was plan B?

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User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

Well, I can't honestly say that I'm not disappointed, but I also can't honestly say that I'm surprised.

Congrats to WN on a successful business strategy, I guess.



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User currently offlineCoTXDFW777AA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

DFW here they come?

(Filler)



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User currently offlineGroundstop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5201 times:

One reason I stayed out of the previous posts about this subject until a decision was made was so nobody could say 'I told you so!'. All I can say is I'm proud of AirTran's effort and intelligence in not trying to get into some sort of bidding war. Like the release stated, our growth plans are solid, with or without MDW. As far as the dual bid packets, Packet B as its called contains the 'non-MDW expansion lines'. By thumbing through, I don't see anything too exciting (granted I'm looking at the 73G packet, not the 717). We will start the additional Florida frequencies out of MDW, SRQ starts this week, 73G service between MCO and BWI commences and LGA is up to the 73G roundtrips per day. With this weeks schedule change, 18-19 flights are added throughout the system.

User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

As exciting as expansion is, I definitely had some reservations about the MDW thing - and in fact had vowed to NOT fly through there for at least the next six months if this went through. However, I will say I am a bit disappointed, but OH WELL!

Travis


User currently offlineJerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

It sucks for FL, but now they can concentrate on DFW.
I wish FL the best of luck. I'm pretty sure things are going to be just fine over at AirTran.

Congratulations WN.




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User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5056 times:

Groundstop,

With MDW expansion out will cities like RDU which were to go from
5 flights a day down to 4, now keep all 5 since the expansion is off?




72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

That's too bad, I was hoping for FL to get it. I don't think any airport should be dominated by one carrier. Granted WN supposedly won't have direct control over TZ but we'll see.

User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2001 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

717-200 - It looks like they've already gone ahead and loaded those flights back into the system. I just did a quick check and it looks like all cities that lost a flight have them back. I looked like in March or something like that. I wondered the same thing too.

Ryan


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

We will start the additional Florida frequencies out of MDW, SRQ starts this week

As I understood it, SRQ starts tomorrow, but MDW-SRQ starts in January. Has this changed?



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

>I don't think any airport should be dominated by one carrier.<

You ever been to BUR, HOU, or DAL?



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2445 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

N120a

On the same note... ever been to MEM, MSP, DTW, EWR, IAH, DFW, SLC, CVG, JFK, SFO, or MIA?



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

>ever been to MEM, MSP, DTW, EWR, IAH, DFW, SLC, CVG, JFK, SFO, or MIA?<

Most of those I agree with, but JFK??!! Sure, B6 has a lot of flights, but so does everyone else in the world. That would be like saying (though not quite as bad as saying) that WN or UA dominates LAX. Also, SLC has a significant WN presence, so it is more of a 2 carrier thing there. SFO does have a lot of UA, but it also has a lot of international carriers and a lot of service from non-UA domestics



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2445 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

Ok, JFK wasn't a good example, not even sure why I put it in there....

how about ANC?  Smile



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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

FL at DFW? or WN at DFW?

What can either carrier offer that AA doesn't already at DFW?



User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4692 times:

"FL at DFW? or WN at DFW?

What can either carrier offer that AA doesn't already at DFW?"


Competition


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4512 times:

What can either carrier offer that AA doesn't already at DFW?

They can offer fares lower than AA's $374 dollar r/t flight to SAN when you can fly OKC-SAN for $229

Also, it would be nice to not have to pay $1300 for a walkup fare to BNA.




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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

AirTran should honestly take this to court on anti-competition grounds. Southwest is going to have more of a marketshare @ MDW than Delta does @ ATL, and that will be bad for business.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6484 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Srbmod:

You can't just go by MDW. You have to count ORD+MDW, in which WN is a comparative bit player.



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User currently offlineCmhsrq From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 991 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Hey 727,

Checking the Airtran site looks like MDW starts on Jan 11th. Are you going to be out at SRQ tomorrow for the first arrival?



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4337 times:


AirTran should honestly take this to court on anti-competition grounds.


 Insane

So they lost on the open market, now they should go crying to the courts. Whatever.



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User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

AirTran should honestly take this to court on anti-competition grounds. Southwest is going to have more of a marketshare @ MDW than Delta does @ ATL, and that will be bad for business.

No...Airtran should send a "thank you" note to Southwest. It's pretty much been shown that when one airline buys out a "financially distressed" carrier, and takes on all the debt and labor issues that such a move involves, they pretty much find THEMSELVES in the "financially distressed" category. And Southwest could have 100% of the market share in a market, and you'd still pay no more than $299 each way for a ticket. That's something Delta can't claim in Atlanta or AA in Dallas or NWA in MSP.


User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

Groundstop:
Am I correct that all ANNOUNCED FL MDW service will go as planned? How will they do that with 1 gate?


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

I thought they just picked up a 2nd gate from the city.

User currently offlineGroundstop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

The additional service that has been previously announced will still begin as planned. Also, most markets that lost a frequency or two due to the MDW expansion will gain those flights back.

25 717-200 : It was kind of disapointing for us to lose this, but after digesting this news and reading goingboeing's above post,the MDW deal could had been a real
26 Ckfred : I wouldn't say that this deal is done. I've read in the Chicago Tribune that the Justice Dept. was waiting to see who won the bidding If WN won, then
27 JetSOUTHEAST : Terrible.............. Just what we need, SWA domination of MDW like UA and AA over at ORD. IMHO FL is better.
28 Post contains images Swaluvfa : As a former Southwest employee and now a current Airtran employee, I will say that I have never been more proud to be at AirTran than I am right now.
29 Post contains images Vanguard737 : I know this is mean, but I HAVE to say it....HAHA AirTran737!!!
30 Midway2airtran : I really thought that AirTran would have this wrapped around their finger, but guess Southwest is still full of suprises. I would almost say WN is sta
31 Atmx2000 : Does dominance at MDW really matter if there are two marjor airports serving Chicago? Granted ORD is northwest of Chicago and the MDW is southwest, an
32 Goingboeing : They are swaying away from their original roots and the original way they operated. They are sailing in some VERY uncharted and VERY unfamiliar waters
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