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Rumor: No 7E7 For LOT...  
User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1871 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Allegedly the deal fell through because of the labor union protest. I've read about it on the usenet. Could anyone confirm, please?




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User currently offlineRj111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

I'm starting to worry about this 7e7, i hope things pick up soon for Boeing. Especially as this project is a risk unlike the A350.

User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Rj111

Project Risk? What risk are you talking about? They still have another "2" years to sell more 7E7's & even then, the 7E7 does not come out till 2008.



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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6123 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

This article from Aviation Daily seems to indicate that the delay may be due to the prospects of a possible joint Star Alliance order next year...

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_aviationdaily_story.jsp?id=news/STAR12154.xml



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User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Don't worry the 7E7 will sell well. The replacement market only could make the program profitable and wait for the recovery of US Airlines.


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User currently offlineJaws707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

I wouldnt hold my breath on a star alliance joint order anytime soon, the last time they tried that with a regional get it didnt work at all as every carrier has needs that are just a little bit different.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Labor union protest? Can anyone expand on this?

Aaron G.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Project Risk? What risk are you talking about? They still have another "2" years to sell more 7E7's & even then, the 7E7 does not come out till 2008.

Every project is a risk

What i was pointing out primarly is that the A350 will probably get government support so if things cock up Airbus dont loose out.

I'll reming you the MD-11 had a lot of orders before it flew.



User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

I wouldn´t bet on a joint Star Alliance order, as this was rumored a year ago that they would order at least 100 regional jets. Instead everybody went there own way ( OS took F100 out of the desert, UAX Embrear, etc....)

Anyway, if LOT, OS or SK order 7E7, expect it to not more than a max of 25 to 30 airframes.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8214 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Allegedly the deal fell through because of the labor union protest

Translation: We just let you in into the EU and now you're going to buy American? I don't think so  Smile


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1661 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

well both ana and nz have ordered the 7e7 , 2 star airlines, and lot should, as there star, but don't panic boeing are still expecting 200 orders before the years out on the 7e7, it will be a great christmas gift if they get it, just 15 days to the end of the year tho!!




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User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

That`s a 13.333333333333... frames a day Boeing has to sell...hmmm

"Translation: We just let you in into the EU and now you're going to buy American? I don't think so "
Very funny


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5179 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

More like, "We let you in the EU, you bought F-16s from Lockheed Martin, and now you want to buy Boeings replace your current Boeing fleet?"

User currently offlineKonrad From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

I'm starting to worry about LOT.

They have ongoing management- labor union disputes,
strange (to say the least) expansion strategy - setting
up a low cost that will eat into their own marketshare -
and a lot of aggresive competition, both LCC and classic.

One year from now LOT might be gone unless they pull
an Olympic/Alitalia (stunt).


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1871 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

To all bringin politics into the topic:

The story has it, that LOT made a selection of the aircraft and they chose 7E7 over A330/350. They had a contract that was to be signed at the time of the meeting. Allegedly, the union reps raised hell that LOT would rather spend money on new aircraft instead of giving its employees salary raises. So entire deal fell apart. Too bad...


Edit: From what I heard thru grapevine, union actually preferred Boeing product over Airbus. The management wanted to go with A330-200.


[Edited 2004-12-18 02:51:58]


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

What i was pointing out primarly is that the A350 will probably get government support so if things cock up Airbus dont loose out. I'll reming you the MD-11 had a lot of orders before it flew.

And yet... the 737-200, 757, A320 all had relativly slow starts, only to pick-up rapidly later in life. The 777 also took 4 years to sell 100 copies. The inital sales years (and today the 7E7 stands at exactly 1 year ATO) are almost meaningless to the life of the aircraft...

The replacement market for 767s at UA, AA, CO, DL alone are enough to reach Boeing's break even goal of roughly 500 units.....


User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

The 7E7 can be judged a success or failure on the day after the last one is sold.

Somehow the kiddies think all sales need to be before the prototype flies.

Bull as usual. The only significant figure is that one twenty or more years into the future when Boeing sells the last example to come off the line.

There may well be as many as Boeing states are in the pipeline, but financing isn't like going to a car dealer and signing a credit agreement. Billions of dollars of financing takes a lot of time to come together and sometimes doesn't run to the schedules the parties expect. In that respect the year-end sales issue is somewhat meaningless as it depends on so many outside variables. Boeing might have hoped to have closed 200 by then, but those deals may be waiting on financing and approvals which haven't yet been signed off.

A better time to judge program performance would be a couple of years after EIS and the orderbook then.

As for the A350, plenty of crap being spewed there too. Airbus was testing some tech on the A340 prototype over two years ago for winglet and wing improvement. That particular program may only recently have come into the light, but the design and test work started quite some time ago in the Airbus research division. It is by no means a rushed, knee-jerk reaction.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

And yet... the 737-200, 757, A320 all had relativly slow starts, only to pick-up rapidly later in life. The 777 also took 4 years to sell 100 copies. The inital sales years (and today the 7E7 stands at exactly 1 year ATO) are almost meaningless to the life of the aircraft...

Somehow the kiddies think all sales need to be before the prototype flies.


I just said it could still be a failure if it sold shitloads before EIS  Innocent ,I doubt it will though.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1830723/6/

[Edited 2004-12-18 10:10:15]

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