Boeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7933 times:
It's all about the paperwork now. My guess is the A350 as projected is not what they were expecting/looking for and whoever is looking at the 7E7 is now ready to sign. By the end of the year, maybe. Perhaps in January. At this point it's irrelivant. 200 order before first flight for an aircraft of this size ain't too shabby.
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7597 times:
As much as I would love to see that 200 plane order, I just don't see it possible even if they had all of these guys lined up to order these planes. Wouldn't the news leak out on this board if Boeing had that many customers lined up?
I don't know why they are in such a hurry to get 200 orders so quick. The plane isn't going to fly until 2008, they have plenty of time. By then the airline troubles in America should be done and you can pretty much guarantee a couple of the U.S. big six airlines would place 50+ plane orders to replace their 767 fleets.
Has anyone figured out the breakeven amounts for this plane yet?
Boeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7564 times:
Break even is 580 units at current prices, but that will fall with incrimental price increases. The original was 400 units, but the discounts are really good if you're in the market. Not one has sold for over $90M and the -9 is being offered at $97 with discounts. The only option is after market seats, center bins in First and Business, and entertainment systems. Everything else is completely standard, and loaded I might add.
Target profit per unit was set for $15 million a copy, but there running between $7 and $10 million. The $120 million price is a generic tag added to the press releases. They won't hit that price until the first production aircraft is delivered.
Col From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2274 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7555 times:
Why oh why, do they keep blarting out information when they don't need to. If they get 200 orders by year end, it would say more to build confidence, than this yes we can, no we can't, it will be next year, it doesn't matter when it happens.
They are unhappy about loosing Air Asia, but hey we do have 88% of LCC in USA. Randy, look at the frigging globe, Airbus are obviously offering the right product at the right price. When is this going to get addressed!
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 9248 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7350 times:
I believe that the orders are pretty well done deals. B would be very quiet if they weren't.
I would not be surprised for these airlines, knowing how much B wants 200 by Dec 31st, going after that last bit of sugar to sweeten the deal just a little bit more. Lots of pressure on both sides as the pressure ends on Dec 31st for both sides.
A lot of people working long hours to finish the deals and the last week of December may be hot.
the interesting comment for me was the inclusion of North America in B's statement. Who?
Nyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5923 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7243 times:
Naw, I don't think it's Continental. They said they would love to buy it but the y don't have the money for it at this point. Though I would discount an order from them in the next 2-3 years. They need to recover and they're in a better position compared to the other legacies.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2855 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7197 times:
I suppose it's possible, though not probable, if they are talking about 200 total announced commitments, not firm orders. After all, they only need a few airlines who have placed significant desposits to step forward and publically commit. It would also lower the number they need from 148 to 118, if we are talking commitments and not orders. There's no way they will have 200 total firm orders by Jan. 1, afterall, Boeing only recently stated they wouldn't get this until Feb.
"You must be a real believer to eat this.."
Ah, why not? I mean, some people on this board believe that AirAsia paid $62.5 million for each of their 40 A320's, when the actual price was closer to $30 million. Just goes to show that anyone can believe anything based on their own particular bias.
"Wouldn't the news leak out on this board if Boeing had that many customers lined up?"
It all depends on who's ready to publically commit. The Seattle Times reported a few months ago that they had seen the evidence that Boeing had deposits down from 16 different airlines for 248 7E7's. That includes those already announced. So the possibilty exists, though again, these won't be firm orders by the end of the year.
I believe when he mentioned North America, he was talking about the confirmation of Primaris, as well as possibly either or both of the major leasors (ILFC and GECAS).
Daedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7185 times:
They'll never sort out 148 order sorted in 14 days. They've alread said they arent concerned with missing the target, so saying this again is "shot for nothing", so to speak.
I hope you dont believe that this finalization will only occur over the last 14 days.This process has been ongoing for months. Mr. Baseler has a lot riding on this, considering Boeing's top salesman was recently ousted. If he believes that the orders can be completed by year's end, then I have no reason not to believe him. However if you read the article carefully he says they are going to TRY to have 200 orders by the end of the year. That leaves room for if things dont go according to plan. We'll see what happens.