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Boeing Still Aims For 200 7E7 Orders By Year-end  
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

thats a bit ambitions....talk about record orders being needed....I wonder how large that order from China is going to be..i would say about 65-75


http://asia.news.yahoo.com/041217/3/1tb0u.html


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

"Boeing is finalizing sales of 200 7E7s to Asian, Middle Eastern, European and North American carriers, he said in a teleconference with Asian journalists."

http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt.jsp?cat=USMARKET&src=704&feed=dji§ion=news&news_id=dji-00001020041217&date=20041217&alias=/alias/money/cm/nw




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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

It's all about the paperwork now. My guess is the A350 as projected is not what they were expecting/looking for and whoever is looking at the 7E7 is now ready to sign. By the end of the year, maybe. Perhaps in January. At this point it's irrelivant. 200 order before first flight for an aircraft of this size ain't too shabby.

User currently offlinePVG From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 727 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7008 times:

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/041217/3/1tb0u.html





User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6939 times:

They'll never sort out 148 order sorted in 14 days. They've alread said they arent concerned with missing the target, so saying this again is "shot for nothing", so to speak.

User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

You must be a real believer to eat this..

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6874 times:

Christmas is coming. Lots of presents to be expected. At least if you still believe in Santa Claus...

But I´m with Boeing here, hoping the ambitious 7E7 project will be a success. Airbus´ A350 at least looks like a lame duck in comparison.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6740 times:

As much as I would love to see that 200 plane order, I just don't see it possible even if they had all of these guys lined up to order these planes. Wouldn't the news leak out on this board if Boeing had that many customers lined up?

I don't know why they are in such a hurry to get 200 orders so quick. The plane isn't going to fly until 2008, they have plenty of time. By then the airline troubles in America should be done and you can pretty much guarantee a couple of the U.S. big six airlines would place 50+ plane orders to replace their 767 fleets.

Has anyone figured out the breakeven amounts for this plane yet?


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 6707 times:

Break even is 580 units at current prices, but that will fall with incrimental price increases. The original was 400 units, but the discounts are really good if you're in the market. Not one has sold for over $90M and the -9 is being offered at $97 with discounts. The only option is after market seats, center bins in First and Business, and entertainment systems. Everything else is completely standard, and loaded I might add.

Target profit per unit was set for $15 million a copy, but there running between $7 and $10 million. The $120 million price is a generic tag added to the press releases. They won't hit that price until the first production aircraft is delivered.


User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

Why oh why, do they keep blarting out information when they don't need to. If they get 200 orders by year end, it would say more to build confidence, than this yes we can, no we can't, it will be next year, it doesn't matter when it happens.

They are unhappy about loosing Air Asia, but hey we do have 88% of LCC in USA. Randy, look at the frigging globe, Airbus are obviously offering the right product at the right price. When is this going to get addressed!


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

They must have the orders already because I doubt they'ed make such a claim so late in the year.

User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8320 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6493 times:

I believe that the orders are pretty well done deals. B would be very quiet if they weren't.

I would not be surprised for these airlines, knowing how much B wants 200 by Dec 31st, going after that last bit of sugar to sweeten the deal just a little bit more. Lots of pressure on both sides as the pressure ends on Dec 31st for both sides.

A lot of people working long hours to finish the deals and the last week of December may be hot.

the interesting comment for me was the inclusion of North America in B's statement. Who?


User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

who? Primarus for one - has MOU for 20 frames... and I wouldnt be surprised at all if CO, NW, and AA are in there trying to get new aircraft to aid their international exansion.


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User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6449 times:

the interesting comment for me was the inclusion of North America in B's statement. Who?

Maybe Primaris (signing the final firm contract) but might also be NW.

I totally agree, with two weeks to go and the Xmas holiday coming up, why would anyone shoot their mouths off about 200 orders if they weren't very VERY close to getting it done.



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1896 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6412 times:

My money is on Continental. Northwest is a possibility, but we'll see...


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User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

Naw, I don't think it's Continental. They said they would love to buy it but the y don't have the money for it at this point. Though I would discount an order from them in the next 2-3 years. They need to recover and they're in a better position compared to the other legacies.

[Edited 2004-12-17 19:13:09]


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6340 times:

I suppose it's possible, though not probable, if they are talking about 200 total announced commitments, not firm orders. After all, they only need a few airlines who have placed significant desposits to step forward and publically commit. It would also lower the number they need from 148 to 118, if we are talking commitments and not orders. There's no way they will have 200 total firm orders by Jan. 1, afterall, Boeing only recently stated they wouldn't get this until Feb.


"You must be a real believer to eat this.."

Ah, why not? I mean, some people on this board believe that AirAsia paid $62.5 million for each of their 40 A320's, when the actual price was closer to $30 million. Just goes to show that anyone can believe anything based on their own particular bias.


"Wouldn't the news leak out on this board if Boeing had that many customers lined up?"

It all depends on who's ready to publically commit. The Seattle Times reported a few months ago that they had seen the evidence that Boeing had deposits down from 16 different airlines for 248 7E7's. That includes those already announced. So the possibilty exists, though again, these won't be firm orders by the end of the year.

I believe when he mentioned North America, he was talking about the confirmation of Primaris, as well as possibly either or both of the major leasors (ILFC and GECAS).

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineDaedaeg From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

They'll never sort out 148 order sorted in 14 days. They've alread said they arent concerned with missing the target, so saying this again is "shot for nothing", so to speak.

I hope you dont believe that this finalization will only occur over the last 14 days.This process has been ongoing for months. Mr. Baseler has a lot riding on this, considering Boeing's top salesman was recently ousted. If he believes that the orders can be completed by year's end, then I have no reason not to believe him. However if you read the article carefully he says they are going to TRY to have 200 orders by the end of the year. That leaves room for if things dont go according to plan. We'll see what happens.



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5951 times:

BTW - according to one report today, Blue Panorama has now signed a firm order for their 4 7E7-8's, with delivery accelerated to Dec. 2008, instead of Feb. 2009.

Can anyone confirm?

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5902 times:

Where did you hear/read this?


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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

The Orders forum. As I said, I am still waiting on confirmation, so take it for the moment with a grain of salt.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

Ok thanks, where is the Order Forum?


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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6240 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

BTW - according to one report today, Blue Panorama has now signed a firm order for their 4 7E7-8's, with delivery accelerated to Dec. 2008, instead of Feb. 2009.

FI reported that Blue Panorama signed a firm contract in Rome today. Boeing values the deal at $500 million based on catalogue prices ($125-million each 7E7) and have yet to chose an engine supplier.

They will configure the 7E7 with a 299-seat layout and will begin taking delivery of the 7E7s from February 2009.

It takes the number of firmly-ordered 7E7s to 56.



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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5301 posts, RR: 61
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5610 times:

@NYC777:

http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/orders

The archive is most interesting.



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User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5606 times:


Na Wrote:

"Christmas is coming. Lots of presents to be expected. At least if you still believe in Santa Claus...

But I'm with Boeing here, hoping the ambitious 7E7 project will be a success. Airbus A350 at least looks like a lame duck in comparison."


I commend you on your honesty. That was not an easy admission on this site considering your national origin.  Smile



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25 HlywdCatft : **Break even is 580 units at current prices, but that will fall with incrimental price increases. The original was 400 units, but the discounts are re
26 Post contains images Gaut : If Boeing still claims they will sell 200 B7E7 by year end you can be sure they will do it. (or they are really stupid) I'm sure the B7E7 will be a gr
27 Aerlingus330 : Airbus is bound to change the design of the A350, and i think it could and will be a worthy competitor to the 7E7...It will be a good aircraft war, bu
28 Boeing7E7 : I am surprised that the break even point is that high. I think the A380 is only about 350. It's because of the heavy discounting right now. This bird
29 Jacobin777 : "I'm sure the B7E7 will be a great aircraft and will sell well. But it's a very risky program because of all this new electrical technology replacing
30 Post contains images DfwRevolution : there have been reports that the total development costs of the T7 was $14billion+, and that was 15 years ago before the dollar being gutted out (as i
31 Hamlet69 : Jacobin777, I'm sorry, but your numbers are pretty far off. Total program costs for the 777 were approximately $8 billion, plus roughly another $1.5 b
32 Atmx2000 : there have been reports that the total development costs of the T7 was $14billion+, and that was 15 years ago before the dollar being gutted out (as i
33 Zvezda : While I don't expect another 144 orders to close by the end of the year, some airlines may prefer to close a deal in the current fiscal year. If the C
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