Lincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8 Posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4384 times:
Just out of curiosity... On 747 Freighers, what is the upper deck (aft of the flightdeck, of course) used for?
For some reason, I had this vision of them carrying regular (i.e. pax version) seating on the upper deck, perhaps because most pictures I've seen have the normal row of windows up there -- even if there aren't any mainlevel windows, for example:
What is the upper deck used for? Now that I think of it, regular pax seating configuration would make absolutely no sense... Some seating for deadheading crew would make some sense to me (doesn't mean it happens). Crew rest would make a lot of sense, but without windows I would imagine it would be a tad tight/dark... Plus that seems like a ton of space if all of it is used for crew rest.
Also, just out of curiosity are there flight deck doors on 74s in cargo service? How about lavs (I had never thought about it...Then again, with the length of some flights I would imagine it as a necessity)
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Lono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1321 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4332 times:
Non Rev PAX!!!
I remember flying on the Tiger out of ANC.... sitting upstairs... they had a F/A to deal with the N/R's.... It was awesome... if there was space you were on!!! better than any First Class service I have ever experienced anywhere.. and it was for us N/R's!!!!
Ahh the good old days...
N867bx From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4281 times:
My mom was a maintenance controller at NW (retired now) I had the opportunity to take a walk thru a 74F right after a C check. Its been about 20 years but I seem to remember only the front half of the upper deck had a floor. The back half of the upper deck was without a floor and one could see the main deck thru a maze of wires and cables. A net was in place to prevent a person from falling onto the main deck, but I suppose the wires and cables would catch em anyways. If I remember correctly their were 6 seats (or was it 12) and yes there was a door on the cockpit. I sure someone out there knows way more than me on this subject.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22215 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4162 times:
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Many cargo B747s have both first class style seats and crew rest bunks.
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Nosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4087 times:
And how will the upper deck of converted former pax 744s look like? What do they do with all that room? Is it possible to put small containers there?
For such a small area, the costs of installing a cargo door for the upper deck would not be worth it....Also, I'm not sure if any container is suited for the upper deck, again another cost
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2744 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4015 times:
The back half of the converted 744SF upper decks will be just like the 743SF upper decks: not used. The floor of the upper deck intrudes down into the main deck cargo space, and unless that floor is removed/moved upwards, you cannot fit full-height pallets in there. Look closely at photos of 743SFs (Dragonair, and the KE photo in the thread starter) and you'll notice the windows on the rear half have been eliminated.
Clipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 671 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4003 times:
Polar's upper decks are fitted with bunks for crew rest facilities on flights that require an augmented crew. I believe Atlas has the same thing.
Philsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3880 times:
At SQ we have 6 first class style seats in the upper bunk, just like Cargolux. We also have 2 bunks at the rear of the upper deck for augmented crews.
It is not uncommon to carry grooms when you are transporting horses. I that case, you would have the grooms ride in the upper deck. Total occupancy of the upper deck and cockpit can't exceed 8 on the 744F.
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3837 times:
It is not uncommon to carry grooms when you are transporting horses
In such a case, would they be allowed on the main deck while in flight to check on the horse?
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AV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1266 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3796 times:
Someone could tell me if this is true: Didn't CargoLux have a regular passenger configured upper deck that they actually sold seats on for fare paying passengers on their B742F's?
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3784 times:
All they have to do is take a portable O2 bottle with them.
Why the need for the O2 bottle? The main deck has to be pressurized for the horse. Is it for emergency purposes?
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Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15903 posts, RR: 66 Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3784 times:
Yes, in a case where grooms are along, they do have access to the main deck during flight. All they have to do is take a portable O2 bottle with them.
Just a clarification. The main deck is pressurized right? So I guess this is just a precaution? and dare I ask what would happen to the horses if the main deck depressurized?
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Wbmech From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3757 times:
Just a guess but the POB is probably for the safety of the groom. There is no supplemental oxygen on the main deck of a freighter although on the upper deck it is still in the psu's as well as the pob's stored upstairs. IF a sudden depressurization occurs at altitude, who cares about the horses at that point. By the way, the main deck and upper deck are in the same pressure vessel therefore they would be at the same pressure altitude throughout the flight. The temps might be slightly off due to the different zones though.
Philsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3732 times:
On the 744F there is no supplemental O2 on the main deck. In case of a loss of pressurization the grooms need supplemental O2 and the only way to get is is with the POB. As far as the horses go, I guess that's what insurance is for.
The 744F does an extremely good job at maintaining temps on the main deck. In fact, the 744F has a different cargo temp system than the classic freighters. It's not uncommon to take cargo, such as medicine that has to be kept in a very specific temp range 5-7C. We can reconfigure the cooling to have just one compartment at that temp and yet have the other compartments at a more normal temp.
Tod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1687 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3688 times:
And how will the upper deck of converted former pax 744s look like?
The u/d on the CX (B-HOU) 744SF that will be converted in Xiamen this spring will have the floor ending near the doors and I believe that the u/d floor beams aft of there will be modified. The 4U lav and existing interior forward of the doors will remain in place. I don't know if the J class seats remain.
Dbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 795 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3469 times:
"Someone could tell me if this is true: Didn't CargoLux have a regular passenger configured upper deck that they actually sold seats on for fare paying passengers on their B742F's?"
Is that even legal? For some reason, I thought it wasn't possible...but i could be totally mistaken.
Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3644 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3265 times:
The father-in-law of a friend of mine is working for a cargo airline operating 742Fs. They are travelling non-rev to New York on the upper deck all the time (needless to say - and get dirt cheap hotel deals in New York through the airline as well....)
KBGRbillT From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3243 times:
Atlas and Polar 74F's usually have a combination of some seats, a table, small galley, and a crew rest(beds) area occupying the upper deck (non-SUD A/C).
DeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 11 Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3030 times:
Backing up what KBGR said, on the "World Air Routes" Atlas Air video, they show the upper deck of the Atlas 747-200F before the DFW-ATL leg & from what can be seen, there is a small passenger cabin similar to the ones shown above from UPS & Cargolux.
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