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UAL And It's Domestic Cuts  
User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1177 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Well I was looking at the SEA schedule for UA on Feb. 17th. 2005. A few depressing sights.

#1) 25 mainline flights. The lowest I have seen since......well ever. (I'm only 31)

#2) Lots of 757's

#3) Still a 777 to NRT. Rumor was they may up it to a 744

#4) I saw a 767-200 SEA-IAD, is this correct? I thought the -200's had dust collecting on the agenda???

#5) SEA-SFO, is down to 6 daily flights? I remember hourly service.

So over-all the UA domestic cuts hit SEA with about 7 fewer mainline flights.

You mad Bro???
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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

I've heard through internal sources that a lot of UA people were laid off in SEA as a result of the downsizing in flights. Credit AS and WN I suppose, especially on the SEA-Bay Area flights.  Insane

The SEA-NRT aircraft depends largely on availability vs. profit potential. IIRC, NW downgraded from a 742 and A330. Another factor that might work into that is the PDX-NRT flight that NW started. A lot of PDX-based pax would fly up to SEA to fly on either NW or the UA flight. Now that those folks have their own flight, there's less need for capacity out of SEA.

Remember also we're in the winter season, so it makes sense that the schedule reflects a "valley" in the overall market. Look at the June schedule when it comes out for SEA for a true comparison.

762's for a few months until their retirement (not sure exactly when) might be a possibility. I believe 916 (the AM flight) is now an A320.

I'm also 31, and also recall working at SEA for UA in the summer of '96, and I'll agree that things are quite different now. Sad days.  Sad

User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

well I dunno about February. But SEA is still getting some UA 767s. I'm flying one on Sunday, DEN-SEA, a 763ER!


User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

I still work at the airport and in talking with the UA people, they aren't too excited about all that is happening. The one thing that alot of UA people here in SEA have is that it is a HIGH seniority location.

The talk however is that UA may (A/C available) up-grade to the -400 on the SEA-NRT route for the summer. It seems as if the PDX-NRT is doing well but it has not taken a bite out of the UA SEA-NRT.

Currently SEA does see the 763 twice a day. In Feb. I see that we will have 1 762 and 2 777's.

Back in the good Ole' days the 762, DC10, 747's were all common place. Go to N9 and N10 and see two 747's at once. One going to NRT and one to ORD. Then you would have the DC10 to HKG, then after PanAm that went to the 747SP. At one point in time SEA had over 13 wide-bodies a day. But then again, UA used to fly to OAK, SMF, DFW, YVR, HKG, HNL, JFK, and LHR.

You mad Bro???
User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2153 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

While were on the topic of UA's 762's, does anyone know which other routes they will be used on before their retirement? Any new routes besides SEA-IAD?

User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Outside of UA's very public financial woes, you can't talk about flight reductions in Seattle without mentioning the Port's part in this. Over the last couple years, after funding for the new terminal A has dried up, the port went to the airlines, doubled and nearly tripled some fees. Gate usage, landing fees, parking fees are all now among the highest in the country if not the highest. With PDX being so underutilized these days, they can give airlines a much better deal. Portland metro is half the population of Seattle, but when LH wanted to fly to the Northwest, guess who they chose.

User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

In that I agree with the high fees at SEA, the LH move to PDX had very little if any to do with that. It was made known to the public that with the long standing SK SEA-CPH flight, LH did not want to bump heads with another Star member. One of the reason given as to why UA cut the SEA-LHR flight.

WN has made it public that they dont like the fees and that is why they won't expand here in SEA, yet they have added another flight to MDW, and soon another to PHX. I dont think they cut back on SEA-GEG because of the fees. AS/QX was kicking WN's butt on that route.

Keep this in mind......UA has a deal with the port and SEA. I forgot the exact wording, but it (UA) has first rights over every other airline in SEA.First choice of gates, new locations, whatever it may be. This is some agreement that I believe last for 100 years? I need some help on this.

When the new north terminal was thought to happen pre 9/11, UA had it's input and it was going to get what it wanted. Before AS or QX.

Back to the main topic. It is still a sad state of affairs for UA here in SEA. It has always been one of the top airlines here and now it is dirfting to 3 or 4th place.

You mad Bro???
User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

why UA cut the SEA-LHR flight

While discontinued out of SEA, the actual slot was moved south to SFO, thereby accounting for the 2nd daily SFO-LHR flight.

Still, it's sad they don't do SEA-LHR anymore. Sure would be nice. UA is trying to put its int'l. pax to Europe on either the LH flight to FRA via PDX or the SK flight to CPH. I did a search for flights to Germany out of both SEA and PDX, and everything is via LH...maybe one or two via ORD, but clearly UA is relying on revenue sharing with it's Star partners in "smaller" stations like SEA and PDX.

That's interesting about that 100-year agreement between UA and SEA, though it doesn't surprise me entirely, UA was smart to do that in its major cities, and I'm sure SEA isn't the only city with such an agreement with UA.

User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

B762s in the sked...., looking through the skeds,

Washington-Boston on UA804 17Jan05-21Jan05 and 08Feb05-14Feb05 is a B762, overnights in Boston, then continues to either Denver or Los Angeles the next day, depending on the day.

Los Angeles-Washington sees B762s in Feb.

Washington-Chicago also sees them UA1299 24Jan05-15Feb05 and that aircraft then continues onto San Francisco.

Seattle-Washington uses a B762 from 15Feb05-21Mar05 and the plane then turns around and heads back to Seattle.

Hardly 'new' routes... but just different ones that you'd normally see.

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