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The Train At ATL  
User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

If I remember correctly there is a train that connects all the terminals at ATL.. if this is true what is the secure area of the airport..

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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4090 times:

You have to go through security to ride the train between concourses.
The secure areas are the concourses.
safe



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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

As safe said it is inside the security zone in ATL. It is below the tarmac level and goes from the terminal to concourse E.

I believe it is a Bombardier tram. There are two of them, going in opposite directions. (There may be operational changes during off hours)



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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Ok so at what point would you go through customs if you are going on an international flight?

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Okay, glad you mentioned this, I was going to describe that but thought I'd be huffing and puffing too much.

If you are GOING on an int'l flight, just take it to E (where most, not all Int'l flights depart) for your departure gate. If you are ARRIVING on an Int'l flight you will arrive @ gate E (Except for Canada I believe) and go through customs AND TSA re-screening and then get on the tram.



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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

So once I go through security for a domestic flight I can go right up to the gate in any concourse except E? is this correct?

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

Nope:
You can go to ALL concourses. Delta actually operates some domestic departures/arrivals into E as well, mainly to reposition aircraft for international departures.

Flights from NAS for one also arrive as domestic arrivals would


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4031 times:

No. Once you go through any security (that at the terminal or that after customs) screening checkpoint you can go to any concourse.

Terminal TSA checkpoint is for the T-Gates and access to the end of the tram. The tram then goes from the Terminal to A, B, C, D, E concourses. You can exit at any of them if you are in.

Int' Arrivals TSA checkpoint is at the E-Concourse after customs for Int'l arrivals only.

Concourse E is common-use by the way.

If you are thinking of Chicago's train and Int'l terminal, you are thinking too hard. It is not that tough. Nearly 80 million people a year figure this out, you can do it to.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6807 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

You can also go up to any gate in Concourse E. When exiting Customs at Concourse E, you must pass through security and re-check your bags to be delivered to you at the terminal. The gate areas in Concourse E are inside security like all the other gate areas.

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4028 times:

You can go right up to any gate in ATL once you are past security...I was flying GSO-ATL-BOS last month (with a longer layover), and one of my friends was flying GSO-ATL-PTY. Since the ATL-PTY left from E, I decided that I would walk with her to her gate, and I was able to hang out in the gate area. International arrivals go through a seperate exit from the jetway down to a lower level, where the customs hall is, and then you reclear security (you can see where they reclear security when you go down the escaltor back to the other concourses).

As for only being 2 trains, I would think there are more...I've never had to wait more than a minute for a train, and it takes a good 5 minutes or so to go from T to E...I think there might be maybe 8 trainsets (I'm not sure on this though)...I'm just basing this based on my observations of travelling through ATL.

Jeff


User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

Ok wait so say someone arrives on an international flight at terminal E... what stops then from just walking on the train and not going through customs? does ATL run on the honor system?  Big grin

[Edited 2004-12-18 04:39:02]

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Customs stops them from not going through Customs and getting on the train. You must be why there are airport ambassador programs.


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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Hey the last time I traveled international I was 13... gimme a bit of a break lol... This is how I am picturing it in my head.. you said I could walk right up to the international gate once in the secure area... Presumably the same gate where international arrivals are coming in.. So how when I go to get on the train does customs distinguish between me and the people who just came from another country? Do they go on a diffenent level or something? And Oh yea I easily navigated a ORD flight change at age 13 by myself thank you very much Big grin

[Edited 2004-12-18 04:46:33]

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8912 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

There is a seperate exit from the jetway that prevents arriving international passengers from going into the main concourse. Instead, they close off the part of the jetway going to the main concourse, and use an exit off the jetway that goes to the customs area. You go through this exit, go through customs, and then reclear security before being allowed into the concourse area. The way it works in concourse E is essentially there are 3 levels. The uppermost level is where all departures take place from, and where arriving passengers coming off of a flight from the United States or a country where pre-clearence exists (DUB/SNN, BDA, NAS, etc.) go when they exit the plane. The level below that is where the customs facilities are. Arriving international passengers (except for those noted above) get off here (they can't go to the top level, this is closed off on the jetway), and clear customs, etc. The lowest level is where one boards the train, it's below ground level, and all there is is the train station and tunnel to Concourse D.

Jeff


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

The Int'l Gates have a bi-level entry mechansim where the jetbridge meets the building. Here is a description of the levels:

Top Level: Concourse E Arrivals
Middle Level: Concourse E Departures
Bottom Level: Transportation Entry (Tram)

Note: I may have the middle and top swapped..... There are no windows on the arrivals level, so I have no perception of space.

There is plenty of help available, you will figure it out. But you won't likely be able to circumvent customs or anything.

You can watch an Int'l arrival - but won't see the passengers on the departure level.

Just remember to claim your luggage as you arrive internationally in ATL, when you do the customs thing, you need to have all of your luggage with you for this process - the airline should explain this to you!

Believe me, dude, you are thinking too hard.



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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3986 times:

ahh thankyou for you both for your thorough explanation...

There is plenty of help available, you will figure it out. But you won't likely be able to circumvent customs or anything.

Oh no.. I'm not going on any international flight.. this question was just out of pure curiousity Big grin And I wanted to know if I got bored while waiting for my domestic flight change at the domestic Terminal where I could go poke around...

[Edited 2004-12-18 04:57:53]

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

No problem, since I explained so much, why don't you give me a "Add to Resp. Users" rating  Smile  Smile


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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

you got it.. ok now is this the same at ORD?

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

No, it is not the same as ORD.


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User currently offlineJfkaua From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1000 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Oh ok gotcha.. I see how it works at ORD because the international terminal is seperate except for some Lufthansa, Ryanair, and Iberia arrivals. Sorry for so many questions, but only flying once or sometimes twice a year its not every day I get to see an a340 a330 or 777 up close.

User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3955 times:
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Note that *domestic* arrivals for concourse E are not fed up to the top floor, they deplane onto the normal middle level, where the departures are.

This is because, of course, there's no need for Customs on a domestic flight.

As for the trains themselves, Hartsfield has enough trains to park one at every station during rush hour periods ... look in front of you and behind you -- there's a train stopped in front, and behind. They move in lockstep from station to station.

When the train arrives at Baggage Claim, it reverses through a switchover to pick up passengers at the outbound T-gates station who've just come down from security, and then proceeds out to the concourses.

Out at concourse E, it actually pulls into the tunnels, then switches over to go back the other way (hence the announcement "This train is now out of service - all passengers must disembark") and picks up passengers heading back to baggage claim.

There are, if you look carefully, a couple of sidings alongside the tunnels along the way ... and in offpeak times, you'll see a train parked in that siding tunnel as you zip past.

I have no idea where they do actual maintenance on the trains, or for that matter how they'd get them into or out of the tunnels. I guess there has to be access somewhere, otherwise there's no way to add new rolling stock.

Hartsfield's trains are really a wonder - they were one of the first people mover trains (dating back to the airport's construction) and are largely quite reliable.

The one thing that baffles me, though, is why they NEVER EVER arrive aligned with the doorways. They never have. Other airports with the same Bombardier system, the trains always line up perfectly with the station doors.

- litz


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

No problema. They don't call us a.nutters for nuttin'


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User currently offlineSLC1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

A response to a few of the posts:

The one thing that baffles me, though, is why they NEVER EVER arrive aligned with the doorways. They never have. Other airports with the same Bombardier system, the trains always line up perfectly with the station doors. .

I was riding the trains at SEA the other day and noticed the same thing.

The International Arrivals Level IS on the top floor, and Departures (Domestic & International) is on the Second to Top. Immigration is on the top floor where you take an escalator down to baggage claim, customs, recheck, and security where you enter into an International Arrivals Lounge.

It seems that this is a very good connecting situation, as ATL is designed, but I imagine is horrible for any O & D, since, even if you want to get just to the terminal you have to replace your bags onto the belt and go through security with lines that I have experienced to be long ... has it always been like this? will the new International terminal change this?


User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3918 times:

when you do the customs thing, you need to have all of your luggage with you for this process - the airline should explain this to you!
So, why do you have to reclaim your bags over at baggage claim? Claim 3 is just for international flights.

When the train arrives at Baggage Claim, it reverses through a switchover to pick up passengers at the outbound T-gates station who've just come down from security, and then proceeds out to the concourses.
So, thats why it goes the direction it came from! If I stay on, I'd be able to just go back to T, A, B, C, D, or E...awesome! (I think I've seen 1 or 2 people do this, but I don't remember)

Out at concourse E, it actually pulls into the tunnels, then switches over to go back the other way (hence the announcement "This train is now out of service - all passengers must disembark") and picks up passengers heading back to baggage claim.
So, if I stayed on, would anything happen? Like would you be sitting in a tunnel for a while?

I have seen those little holes, but I've never seen a train there. It's really cool to see trains ahead of you from the front of the train, I never understood what the purpose of the lights on them was for, though...since its all automated, so if there was a malfunction, nobody'd be able to see the other trains lights and stop the train. I've always had good luck with allignments, though.

I used to love the train...then one day, they let 1 too many people on after the "Careful, doors are closing" speech...and an alarm went off. I did not ride the train for years...until SEP 2000. I still have a problem riding it when its full, because thats when that alarm went off...people try to cram into there. So, if I'm at T or A gates, I prefer to walk...even if a train is waiting for me. But in Sep 2000, I took the train from B to D and D to B and it was empty... peaceful...then I took it from B-ticketing...crowds+ elderly person with me+ my fear = a disaster...but I survived and I like the train now.

Here is something to throw out there. Why is it that when you walk to the terminal you have to take an escalator up, then walk through this OLD OLD security checkpoint (when was that used? and why is the equipment still there?) and then go up another escalator?(the train goes directly to the exit)


User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3766 times:

The T gates used to be the international gates before 'E' was built. That's why the screening area exists. Most of this thread will be moot in about a year when the new international terminal is completed. All O&D international pax will enter the termnial from the East side of the airport and will no longer have to recheck baggage after clearing customs on arrivalback in ATL.

25 Flairport : so that screening area used to be for international departures or customs? why is the equipment still there?
26 Srbmod : Most of this thread will be moot in about a year when the new international terminal is completed. The Maynard Holbrook Jackson Jr. International Term
27 BAViscount : I see how it works at ORD because the international terminal is seperate except for some Lufthansa, Ryanair, and Iberia arrivals Errrmmm, off topic I
28 Post contains links Jfkaua : I don't know.. thats just what it says here http://www.ohare.com/ohare/airlines/airlines_international.shtm
29 Post contains images Flairport : Wow, thats funny! Wonder if its a sign Seriously, the airport authority should know...not only do they have the name RyanAir (actually on their site i
30 BAViscount : Oh yeah, you're right! Imagine being cooped up in one of O'Leary's 738's all the way STN-ORD...that'd be enough to put you off flying for life...unles
31 Flairport : for $1.93899 USD I'd fly in the cargo bin lol!
32 DL021 : They are talking about the US charter line Ryan International Airlines One interesting side note to the trains....they originally came with a computer
33 Flairport : One interesting side note to the trains....they originally came with a computer generated voice giving instructions to the passengers..i.e. please ste
34 TLHFLA : It seems like they change the train annoucement voices every once in a while. There was the original computer generated male voice, then the announcer
35 N757KW : The access point for the trains to enter and exit the system is out past concourse E near the control tower. Also, there are a bunch of the old trains
36 TVCFlyer : Anybody can "poke" around in the E concourse. E seems to have better shops and seems like a great place to hang out if you have a longer connection or
37 TLHFLA : E is by far the nicest of the concourses. I actually wound up departing from Concourse E once on a flight to TLH. I am assuming the DL 738 used on tha
38 Usdcaguy : Being the nerd I am, I usually end up taking the train to Concourse E between domestic connections just to hang out. I love seeing all the big foreign
39 TLHFLA : It's too bad there wasn't a way to efficiently reconstruct the concourses to be larger and more open. I think ATL would be a much nicer facility if th
40 Litz : "have seen those little holes, but I've never seen a train there. It's really cool to see trains ahead of you from the front of the train, I never und
41 NW7E7 : Personally I prefer NW's tram at DTW. Much nicer and you get a good view of all of the flights. The one at ATL would be good if the had a light show!!
42 Post contains images Flairport : has anyone manged to reopen the doors once they have started to close... I have always doubted the annoucement, but never seen anyone prove it wrong.
43 TLHFLA : The shuttle trains at TPA do the exact opposite. I once got stuck waiting several minutes before one actually moved because people were trying to push
44 FlyFL : If you ignore the signs and warnings telling you to get off the train at concourse E, you can ride it back into the switching area where it moves over
45 Gnomon : With regard to the comments above regarding the train's manufacture, it was actually made by Westinghouse. It's a Westinghouse PeopleMover. I don't be
46 Post contains images Flairport : FlyFL...and you don't think there are cameras on the train? A couple of years ago FOX5 did a report on that (the cameras, not making out). Hey, and ho
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