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Aircraft Taxing In.Equipment In Way  
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2677 times:


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The Above pic shows Aircraft Taxying in.The Marshaller in place.Why are the Vehicles placed in its path.
Should they not be away & approach the Aircraft only after Aircraft Engines are shutdown & Chocked.
regds
MEL


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User currently offlineA10warthog From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

I have watched many aircraft come into the gate and normally the tug is position in front of the aircraft as they taxi in. The ramp agents even stand on them as the Marshall the aircraft in.
In the picture above, I can only speculate was is going on. But one guess could be the maintenance was just performed on the aircraft and an engine run/op's checks are being performed. I have personally used a belt loader a time or two to gain access to the aircraft.


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2493 times:
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Could it be the plane is not coming in but in fact leaving. The push back tug has disconnected and the marshaller, seen directly in front of pushback tug, is signalling with his right hand (wand) to the flt crew that it's clear to begin the powered turnout and away.

I do assume that a telephoto is responsible for the short distance to the aluminum cargo containers behind this flight. Otherwise that could be a blast hazard.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

But one guess could be the maintenance was just performed on the aircraft and an engine run/op's checks are being performed.

Run up With no Chocks in place.Unlikely.

Could it be the plane is not coming in but in fact leaving. The push back tug has disconnected and the marshaller, seen directly in front of pushback tug, is signalling with his right hand (wand) to the flt crew that it's clear to begin the powered turnout and away.

Clearence to taxiout/powerback is given from the Pilots side or 45 deg between the nosewheel & Pilot window clearly way aft.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineRyanL1011 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

ok 2 possibilities that I see to add to what else has so far been discussed:

1. It is at a gate where the aircraft has to be towed into the gate with engines shut off (this happend to me at a NW gate in MEM that is specific to that gate location)

2. The aircraft is departing and the belt loader is there because of some late baggage that just made the connection, or the ramp agents sped to the departing aircraft in whatever they could get to drive over there with to help marshal the plane out. It's something I had to do quite a bit as a Ramp Agent for Delta when I had to get assist with a departing plane several gates away from where I was, I'd hop in a bag tug, belt loader, (those old 1970s/1980s ford I-6 powered Belt loaders were very quick ) to get over to the gate quickly to assist.


User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3702 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2306 times:
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3 Vehicles and 3 people in the shot, the answer is obvious.

The man with his arm out is montoring the #2 Eng start.


User currently offlineJafa From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

I think Ryan L1011 got it right. Look at the markings on the ground. Those are not gate markings. The checkered markings are lane markings for ground vehicles. Checkered markings like that aren't used in gate markings. If it was a gate the wings would not hang OVER the markings.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6930 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

A run up with those containers behind would surely be one hell of a show to watch Big grin

My guess is that the aircraft had been pushed back from Stand #14 (assuming that yellow dot with 14 written is the stand number sign)... due to the proximity of the containers, they had to push the plane back, and then tug the plane to that spot... However, it would appear that the loader truck was in that position AFTER the tow truck assumed that position... otherwise they were asking for trouble and for away with it.

If it was stand #14, was this really in FLL ? Coz I looked at 2001 charts and there are no stand #14 in FLL...

Can someone clarify this for me??? *puzzled*



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2243 times:
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I can see what looks like heat haze behind number 2 but not on num 1.

Who says the marshaller is standing in the correct spot? I agree that it is wrong directly in front but I've certainly seen it done this way a lot. For that matter the wingman is not in the correct spot either and he may in fact be out of the shot and the belt loader driver could be as stated just showing he has completed late baggage loading but I'd not bet on it.

Terminal One Councouse C would have a gate 14 if counting as 1 from entrance.

The fact that I can't see a towbar may lead to a maintanance operation conclusion but it might be hidden in front of tag. DC9 tow bars are not the short ones. At least from what I've used.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Why no chocks in place on Engine start if thats what it is.
I still stick to taxying in.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
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Engines are started all the time after a push back. Why fight thrust with the towbar? When started at the gate it's usually just one engine except for powerback.


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User currently offlineFsuwxman From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

I am having a tough time believing this picture is from FLL... The only place I can see this being is over there by Terminal 4, where Air transat and Air Canada park at the international terminal... but still there, it is only H1-H10... Why would NW be way over thee when they park on the other side.


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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1981 times:
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I cant recognize the logo on those containers which might help. Also what someone thinks is the number 14 just under the rt main would be facing the other direction if being read by an oncoming aircraft.


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User currently offlineLS17031 From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

They're all Air Canada ULD's in the front row. Both AKH's and DPE's.

The back row consists of TS cans.

Cheers

[Edited 2004-12-23 05:23:47]

[Edited 2004-12-23 05:24:18]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

So Whats Happening out here.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
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HAWK

I added this link to another thread about FLL asking for help from any NW agents about 6 hrs ago but nothing yet. You saw what LS17031 said about containers but I don't know what TS means as whether thats another Canadien carrier or a type. If it was perhaps it isnt even FLL as had been suggested. We may never know.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

This is one Pic I find difficult to understand presuming all are going by the rules.
I think the only answer would be from the Personnel at that very Airport or the Photographer.I've tried doing that too.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1828 times:
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HAWK

For some reason the mouse idendifier for TS wasn't working but is now. It's AirTransat, another Canandian company. They arrive AC and TS arrive on the opposite side as NW in terminal 4. NW is Terminal 1. Knowing that I'd say the poster who said it was probably a maintance function was correct. Possibly the plane was mechanical and was parked in an "out of service" area until readied and was now starting his return to the terminal under power. Just a guess.

[Edited 2004-12-23 12:48:47]


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User currently offlineRyanL1011 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1725 times:

Engines are started all the time after a push back. Why fight thrust with the towbar? When started at the gate it's usually just one engine except for powerback. >>>>

When the APU was inoperative and an Airstart was required, many times all 3 engines were started at the gate on the 727 and both engines were started at the gate on the MD-88s, however we (ramp agents) would request number 2 be started first on the L-1011 with 1 and 3 being started after push back. Somtimes the Captain would request all engines be started with Air Start cart.


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