L.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11495 times:
Well the 757 wins any takeoff power race, but since it isn't a widebody, I'd say an empty 777-200LR (and probably a decently loaded one) would easily blow anything else, including the big Buses, any especially 747s out of the water. The 747 has never "rocketed" off the runway, unless it's an empty freighter. Regardless of the fact that the 747 Advanced will likely feature more composites (lower empty weight) and more powerful engines, MTOW will likely be significantly higher, negating any increased takeoff force except in an empty airplane.
747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11413 times:
Ok when I mean most powerful takeoff I mean the aircraft is noisy at full power. Here a example the Air New Zealand 747 200 and DC10 30 or any 747 400 on the LAX-SYD route would rock anything that is near it.
TW741 From Austria, joined Sep 2004, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11381 times:
when I mean most powerful takeoff I mean the aircraft is noisy at full power
any kind of L-1011 is a real soundmachine
edit: unfortunately you limited the post to "widebody" - the real "full-sound-takeoffs" have been performed by the Caravelle, BAC-1-11, B737-100 and -200, the B707, the DC8's, not to forget the DC9-51, ....
JpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4537 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11244 times:
Oh man i know what you mean about that NZ 742. When i flew LAX-AKL as a young lad back in '95, QF had mechanical problems so we took on as many passengers as we could. A fully loaded 742, wow, that was really something as my first 747 flight.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5625 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11214 times:
Noise -- I read a story from a guy who said that the (non-widebody) Concorde often lined up at Heathrow across the field from his office right as he and his co-workers were returning from lunch. They had some kind of card-key entrance system at the door. If they happened to notice the pointy nose turning the corner and swinging into position while they were outside, there was always a mad dash for the door and massive fumbling to get the key into the slot, because they knew that there would be a bowel-shaking, ear-melting, earthquake-like-rumbling of a takeoff coming down the runway in a matter of seconds -- like nothing else he ever heard at Heathrow.
Kanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10908 times:
Most forceful takeoff I've been on was on a very empty 772 ORD-DFW last winter. It was pretty clear the captain was having a bit of fun, and there was lots of cold clear air to chew on I can't ever remember quite being thrown back in my seat like that, especially not on such a big BIG beast.
As far as noise? Nothing today compares to the age when noise issues weren't a concern, gas was cheap and emissions weren't even a thought. The old 732s, 707s, DC-8s, DC-9s... they made one hell of a racket. Now everything has been hushkitted and modified and quieted down. I appreciate the peace but do sometimes miss the excitement of an unmuffled engine blasting away on takeoff.
RobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3968 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10810 times:
Being a Leeds/Bradford resident, the noisiest I've ever experienced from base 3 DME out from the rwy 32 touch down were the Dan Air 1-11's, RAF VC10's and most annoyingly, the old Britannia B732's, all departing off rwy 14.
They used to turn a sharp right for Pole Hill at around 2 DME so we'd get the noise for agggggggggggggggggggggggges as they climbed away from us.
Gimme the quiet and slow climbing Capital SD360's back any day
Aircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1814 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 10467 times:
This thread brings back the memory of Concorde lifting up just in front of T4's huge windows at LHR... Everything was vibrating, when the wheels left the ground; such a gut feeling! I had the feeling everybody couldn't help but watch in awe...
AirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4525 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10134 times:
fully loaded A340-300 with derated takeoff
actually i'll bet that an empty 747SP ferry would be quite powerful
from my own experience, Concorde takeoff (not a widebody) would have to take the cake. i actually videoed our takeoffs and its great to hear the noise building.
i'll never forget the feeling of taxiing to the runway. the pilot (adrian thompson) spooled up the engines to get on the runway and we were thrust into our seats for a couple of seconds until he idled them again.
it was the equivalent of blipping the throttle of a Mk II GTI in first gear at 3000rpm...beautiful.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3046 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 9949 times:
The most powerful-feeling takeoff that I have experienced (including the Concorde!) was on a lightly-loaded Garuda MD-11 from DPS bound for CGK, then HKG. It was almost scary how that thing accelerated. I definitely got the impression that the pilots were having a bit of fun with their then-new "toy."
Here is that very plane, landing at Kai Tak just as we did that day:
Gearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9759 times:
The best that I experienced was an old 747-100 on a maintenance test flight out of Dublin. There were 7 people on board total, only about 25 tons of fuel, no seats, no washrooms and no galleys. We did an intersection take-off at full power. It was awesome fun. Alas, EI-BED the aircraft in question lies derelict in the boneyard. RIP.
Whitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9686 times:
The original V-1101 VC-10 was the most powerful takeoff I've ever seen, because it was built for short takeoff performance! The VC-10 was designed for hot and high airfields with bags of power. Thrust to weight is probably more than the 757.
I regularly see Continental 772ERs take off fully loaded, and they make short work of the takeoff roll. So that's one powerful bird.
Well the 757 wins any takeoff power race, but since it isn't a widebody, I'd say an empty 777-200LR
Except that it hasn't even been built yet, never mind flown!
If you meant the 773ER then I would think a full power takeoff would be explosive without fuel and payload.
The A300 is also a good short field performer as it was designed for just that sort of operation, without heavy fuel loads for intra-Europe operation.
AA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2557 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9542 times:
All my t/o's on 772s have been pretty powerful, and Im sure they were relatively full laden with fuel as they were all transatlantic ops...
The last 763 I was on, BWI-LHR was pretty powerful too, the best part was after our left turn out of the airfield, I could see the airport....only it was WAYYYYY down below me. Excellent performance on T/O.
All my 744 flights have had long take off rolls.... so I cant say that they were very powerful. BUT, I love watching the heavy wing & winglet move up and down when taking off.... after we gain speed / altitude it seems to stiffen up, but on T/O the whole wing moves up and down....gotta love it