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Fifth Freedom Rights From India.  
User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1045 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

I would like to know which airlines have fifth freedom rights from India and how many of them are actually utilizing these rights?

I remember back in the 1980s and even up to the mid 1990s, SR operated from BOM to SIN, MNL and HKG. AF had flights from BOM to SGN. SQ flew from BOM to LHR. TG operated DEL-LHR flights. CX at the moment operates on BOM-DXB sector.

Additional information on this subject would be highly appreciated.

regards,

Himmat


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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3928 times:
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One oft-discussed examples would be Delta between BOM and CDG/FRA as well as the soon-to-be MAA-CDG

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7503 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

NW between AMS-BOM and they also have rights to serve Delhi, but right now US planes are not allowed to cross over Afghanistan, making the route too long therefore KLM now operates the flight.


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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3911 times:

What the problem with Afghanistan. Isn't it a friendly regime there? Or is it a recommendation from US authorities due to security concerns?

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2868 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

BA used to fly to KL from BOM and SQ used to fly to MAN not LHR from BOM,
QF used to fly to SIN from BOM and then onward to SYD.
CX flies to DXB and Bangkok from BOM


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

US Airlines cannot fly over Afghanistan? What is up with that? We are flying over Iraq now.

M


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

I would like to know which airlines have fifth freedom rights from India and how many of them are actually utilizing these rights?

Pretty much every country that signed an Air Services Agreement with India during the Nehru-Shastri-Gandhi era has very liberal reciprocal rights with India. It is a function of the technical limitations of those days that aircraft had to make many stops on their long haul services and the grant of traffic rights en route was an accepted fact. Similarly Indian carriers have very liberal rights in return. It is only the later bilaterals (eg. 1981 India-Canada, etc...) that put restrictions on fifth freedom traffic rights.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

Let's not overlook the Fifth Freedom Rights of inestimable value that Air India has had since the days when Super Connies and other piston types were state-of-the-art long haul equipment. From that time until the present Air India has had LHR-JFK traffic rights and, at times, LHR-YYZ and LHR-ORD. In my mind, Air India's rights on these routes easily compensates for the generous Fifth Freedom Rights of other airlines routing such flights into/through India.

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2135 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

i checked current schedules from BOM, DEL, BLR and CCU. I can check others if you want.

BOMAMS on NW
BOMAUH on RB
BOMBKK on CX
BOMCDG on DL
BOMDXB on CX
BOMFRA on DL
BOMSHJ on MS
DELPEK on ET
DELSHJ on RB

there are some other flights to points nearby (Kyrgystan, Bhutan, Nepal), but I'm not familiar enough with these countries' airlines to know if the flights are 5th freedom or not.

hope this helps,

af022


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Very few airlines use their 5th freedoms these days. The ones currently being used out of BOM are:

BG: Dubai
CX: Dubai, Bangkok
DL: Paris, Frankfurt
MS: Sharjah
NW: Amsterdam
RB: Abu Dhabi

In the not-too-distant past, there were many more, including:

AC: London, Singapore
AF: Bangkok, Saigon
AZ: Kuwait (?)
BA: Dhaka, Hong Kong, Singapore
BG: Malta
ET: Beijing
KE: Bangkok
HM: Male
MK: Seychelles
PA: Frankfurt
QF: Singapore
SR: Honk Kong, Manila, Seoul
SQ: Manchester
SU: Bangkok, Hanoi


User currently offlineNamaskar From Switzerland, joined Dec 2004, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Jasepl, I flew from HKG to BOM on AF in 1988 - great memories! Also, NH flew to Bangkok from BOM at one point.

User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3762 times:

Did QF hold rights for BOM-LHR on its SYD-SIN-BOM-LHR flights? Just wondering if it did since if additional Australia-UK frequencies were agreed between the two countries then QF could potentially extend its SYD-BOM service to LHR.


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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

U guys have missed THAI which currently flies MAA-DXB-MAA too from BKK with A 333s.

Also ET-Ethiopian DEL-PEK-DEL with B 767s/B 757s.

Royal Brunei too until very recently used to fly CCU-Dubai or Abu Dhabi cant remember which.

Biman Bangladesh flies BOM-DXB from DAC as well as DAC-DEL-BRU-JFK with DC 10s.

Until the mid 1990s...MAS used to fly DC 10s, AB4s from KUL via DEL to KHI with rights on DEL-KHI-DEL.

Sri Lankan used to fly BOM-KHI-BOM with B 732s and still have 5th freedom rights on this route which I hope they one day fly.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6403 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

TG used to fly LHR-DEL-BKK with full fifth freedom rights but stopped about five years ago.

The777Man



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User currently offlineMrNiji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

What the problem with Afghanistan. Isn't it a friendly regime there? Or is it a recommendation from US authorities due to security concerns?

You will fail witha ny attempt to discover any logic, sence and coherence in US policy  Nuts


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

but right now US planes are not allowed to cross over Afghanistan,
Just my Question Why,Reason.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineMrNiji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3625 times:

Can be only security issues. Else see reply 14

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Both QF and BA have full fifth freedom rights India - Europe and India -Australia/South Pacific. None currently being used.

Air India have equivlent. Interesting question Äre Air India's fifth freedom rights ex Oz limited to Fiji and the South Pacific or are they"general, ie could they be used OZ-US west coast"?


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

SQ and QF and AC all flew Bom-Heathrow in the past.

SQ shifted over to MAN sometime in the early 90s. AC first flew a Tristar-500 in the mid-80s. They had some of the best service on the BOM-LHR route on a great airplane for many years.


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1045 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Thanks a lot guys. You all have been a great help.

regards,

Himmat



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