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BA Widebody Replacement Order..  
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 8934 times:

Will this be one of the biggest future widebody orders, assuming that the B777 and B747 replacements will be a single order?

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User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 8819 times:

do you have information the rest of us are not privy to?


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8810 times:
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I thought BA had no plans on ordering more planes

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8798 times:

Why would they want to get rid of them? Some of the B777's are still young, and i wouldn't say any of the other B777's or B747-400's are "old." I hope they don't replace them at all, until they are long past their sell by date.

-Stephen


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8765 times:

I mean a long time in the future, when the aircraft are old and need replacing.

User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8692 times:

I understand...

You may well be right and this will be certainly be a big competitive battle between A and B....



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8533 times:

Do not think BA will replace their 777s , except the first ones which are not ER.
I think the next wide body order by BA will not come before say 2 years, as the chairman told recently their 747s and 767s (the last ones being unsaleable with RR engines) are not so old and can stay in the fleet a bit longer.
Surely they do not know themselves what to do , what to order and when.
Expect a future order for 777-300ERs , 7E7s (or why not A350s) and A380s or 747ADV if this plane is launched.If not they will be obliged to go for A380s ,not to lose passengers as those will fly with SQ , QF , MH , EK etc......who will operate it.
Anyway a very strong battle in sight in the A vs B run.Interesting.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8502 times:

This will not happen for a while - BA is still focused on replacing its narrowbody fleet. The 744s and 772s are still quite young abd the 763s are versatile aircraft for light routes, the 763s are getting an interior upgrade.

User currently offlineBA380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

I would have thought BA could fill 388s on the LHR-JFK run and maybe a couple of others, so I would not be surprised if BA ordered a few, but perhaps they think that having a fleet of 7 or 8 would be inefficient. Time will tell!


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8286 times:

The A380 run will stay 747/777 as this is a high frequency business route. Pressure to order a dozen or so A380's will come from a need to provide additional capacity on the Kangaroo routes which are not Frequency intensive at all.

The LAX, Indian and Japanese routes are also currently capacity constrained, and do not have high frequency requirements.





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User currently offlineTepidhalibut From Iceland, joined Dec 2004, 209 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8259 times:

>I think the next wide body order by BA will not come before say 2 years,
>as the chairman told recently their 747s and 767s (the last ones being
>unsaleable with RR engines)

Those would be the B767's (with RB211's) that BA sold to QANTAS would they ??
(OK, sales opportunities would be limited, but certainly not unsaleable.)


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8253 times:

Those were leased to QF, not sold. I believe they were returned.

They pretty much are unsaleable at this point, but you're right, there's the outside chance someone wants them.

N


User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8215 times:

According to Airbus-España, IB and BA could making a combined order for the A380
But I think BA is waiting to see how might the 747adv work.


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

I think BA will eventually order the A380-800, mostly for routes from LHR to SIN, NRT, HKG, JNB, CPT, LAX and SFO. The LHR-JFK route is more the province of more frequent flights and that will still see an emphasis on 777-200ER's and 747-400's for now.

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8078 times:

Tepidhalibut

767s leased to QF are already returned.

Gigneil

If the RAF had chosen the option to buy , then converted the 767s coming from BA , maybe this last one would have already placed an order to replace them.
Now the future of these planes are more than uncertain.I do not see an airline having already a GE powered 767 fleet to buy them.Only an airline already with RR 767s equipped can buy them.How many airlines do you know in this case thru the planet ?Perhaps China Yunnan only.
So i think these 767s will stay in the BA fleet for years to come.

ANXEBLA

First time i hear about a possible combined order for 380s by IB and BA.
Can you give us more details Thanks.


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8015 times:

What is the status of the current bilateral between UK and India? Is it capacity or frequency based, or both?
If it limits only the frequencies BA could have a good use for of it for DEL, MUM, MAA.


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7946 times:

Don't QF and BA have some form of rev-share on the 'Roo? If so, they may be even slower to add A380's if QF already is adding that capacity -- at some point, how fast can you double the capacity in the market?

Steve


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7921 times:

Whatever happened to their on-again off-again plans to acquire first or secondhand 777-300s to replace some of the 747s?


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User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7903 times:

FCKC,
Last April, an Airbus-Spain director said to "El País" newspaper IB could buy some A-380's together BA. But maybe he was mixing his personal wish with reality.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

Which aircraft may suit their future 3 class service routes (without first) best? Possibly A346?

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

Whatever happened to their on-again off-again plans to acquire first or secondhand 777-300s to replace some of the 747s?

To actually replace the 747s, they would have to be 773ER. As of the next few years, it is highly unlikely that one will appear on the second-hand market. They would have to be new-builds

Which aircraft may suit their future 3 class service routes (without first) best? Possibly A346?

With a fleet of GE-powered 777s.... probably not. The 773ER would be a much better solution.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7775 times:

"To actually replace the 747s, they would have to be 773ER. "

773ERs were never mentioned; BA was looking at regular 773s to replace the 747s on some of the Transatlantic runs. I'm assuming that idea is dead currently.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7652 times:

773ERs were never mentioned; BA was looking at regular 773s to replace the 747s on some of the Transatlantic runs. I'm assuming that idea is dead currently.

No... around mid-2003 there were serious discussions about a BA order for the 773ER. The deal was to involve off-loading 747-400s to CX while BA would replace them with 773ER, Boeing acting as the middle party. Needless to say, the deal fell through.....


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7382 times:

With a fleet of GE-powered 777s.... probably not. The 773ER would be a much better solution.

Not that that matters much... a lot of their 777 fleet is RR powered as well.

But I also agree, there's not a snowball's chance in hell of the 346 at BA.

N


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7372 times:

I didn't think 773ERs were even around at the time...when was the deal tabled?


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25 Btblue : It's very unlikely that BA will order a widebody from Airbus, now or in the next few years. Once the 747ADV is out they'll jump for it.
26 Gigneil : I didn't think 773ERs were even around at the time...when was the deal tabled? This was in the middle of 2003, maybe earlier slightly. They were going
27 JoFMO : Why do they want to shrink capacity? Air travel is growing and so far we doesn't have any lowcost long haul. So will they give the growing numbers to
28 Post contains images A340600 : and i wouldn't say any of the other B777's or B747-400's are "old Some of the oldest 744s were late 80's, 1989, so 15, if you can call that old. There
29 Scotron11 : I cannot see an A380 for BA, period. If Boeing go ahead with the 747ADV, yes. I think their current fleet is in good shape and they can afford to sit
30 San747 : Don't chew me up for this, but I remember reading somewhere (probably on this forum) that BA wants to double capacity at LHR to 36 million pax/year by
31 JoFMO : @Scotron: Has BA significantly more depts that LH and AF/KLM? And if yes, why that?
32 ConcordeBoy : How many airlines do you know in this case thru the planet ?Perhaps China Yunnan only. ...which has since been absorbed into MU, whom has shifted towa
33 DfwRevolution : Sure they could use them effectively to places like Dubai, Boston, New York, DC, and possibly S. Asia.... but they'd probably soon as rather have a pl
34 Scotron11 : I wouldn't say BA has more debt than AF/KLM or LH, but BA is a relatively conservative airline and right now their priority is to reduce their current
35 MaverickM11 : "Now the future of these planes are more than uncertain.I do not see an airline having already a GE powered 767 fleet to buy them." QANTAS took some o
36 BigB : Can a 773A not make LHR-LAX (4,700nm) or LHR-HKG (5,200nm) both directions with a reasonable cargo? Don't forget to factor in headwinds. With head win
37 GDB : BA are not ordering anything, and they won't until they replace 767's from around 2010, so either A350/7E7 in that case. Apart from the fleet being re
38 FlyCaledonian : 7 BA 767-336s remain with QF. QF also operate 21 RR RB211-524 powered 747-438s, the same engine as on the ex-BA 767s, hence why QF was prepared to tak
39 BlueSky1976 : BA widebody replacement... it could go like this: - 12 A380-800 - for Kangaroo Route/to directly compete with Virgin, - 20 747-500 - a.k.a. Advanced74
40 Aussie747 : "Those were leased to QF, not sold. I believe they were returned." QF still have the BA leased 767's and are registered / named as follows, and there
41 BA380 : if VS wanna go with the 388 to Oz, then why have they launched the route with a 346 rather than a 744 at present? Just wondered.
42 Rtfm : BA have a lot of debt because that's how they funded the 777 and A319/320/321 fleet purchase. Reducing it is still a big priority for BA. I don't see
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