Estick From Argentina, joined Jan 2001, 43 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9878 times:
Checking on my computer, I've just noticed LH is changing its daily nonstop EZE-FRA flight for a daily EZE-GRU-FRA. They're also changing the 346 for a 744. Flights from SCL will operate SCL-GRU-FRA.
Seasonal change only????
Lhstr From Germany, joined Mar 2001, 226 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9667 times:
GIG will be discontinued effective Feb. 18.
To me not very surprising, as it is not the most popular destination with business travellers. And it is rather easy to connect in SAO. Travellers dont lose any time on their way to GIG by connecting in SAO instead of taking the same plane to GIG.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9522 times:
Wow, it shows the power of Sao Paulo...that's a lot of fights, and a lot of business class seats to fill...
LH is also capitalising on the Brazilian tarffic to Asia, since the establishment of transit VISA restrictions in the US. Let's us not forget that Brazilians don't need VISA for Europe.
But to be fair, credits must also go to President Lula, as the Brazilian economy is growing really healthy: 6%, reflecting a 2004 increase in 11% in domestic traffic, and 8% in international traffic. In a country of 180 million, this is a considerable growth.
Argento From Argentina, joined Feb 2000, 230 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9503 times:
Maybe some travelers complained about the lack of a First Class on the flight to EZE, thus the change to the 744 on this flight.
In my opinion they will complained about the lack of non-stop service.
LH was/is a traditional business traveler carrier from Argentina to Germany , Eastern Europe , Middle East and Asia.I do not know how is doing C class, but for me it is not a good move.
Maybe is good time for AR to go back to FRA non-stop with some A342.
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 15 Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9424 times:
Latin America-wise, BA and LH keep moving one way, while IB and AF keep moving the other way.
BA cancelling BOG and CCS, leaving only 4 destinations in the region with pretty odd and unconfortable schedules. LH re-designing services to the southern cone, dropping GIG and decreasing MEX.
AF, on the other hand, adding nonstops to SCL and keeping EZE daily, all on 777. They are also increasing MEX significantly and continue on serving several destinations in northern South America themselves, or through their partner KLM. IB, not even worth to mention.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9374 times:
Not to mention that while LH dropped GIG, since Nov/04 AF is operating daily non-stop CDG-GIG with the 747-400.
On the other hand, LH strategy does make sense somehow. For LH to drop GIG is ok, since pax could easily connect GRU-GIG with partner airline RG. GRU is also Star's hub in South America. But still, I'm impressed by the amount of flights and seats that LH will make available to GRU alone....
I dont want to make "terrorism", but I have a voice telling me that BA will very soon terminate its flight to EZE and GIG, leaving its service to LHR-GRU only....
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9298 times:
It is a shame that they give up EZE nonstop. But it also happened ago before they introduced the A346. I hope that they will go nonstop again next winter, when traffic normally picks up. I think they have a too less planes for keeping EZE nonstop and also increasing needed capacity to GRU. So they decided to focus on GRU over the summer, but I am quite sure that they will serve EZE nonstop again next winter.
Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 28 Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8496 times:
Will LH have traffic rights GRU-EZE and GRU-SCL? Anyway, these two markets are now well saturated...
Yes, they will. Before re-introducing FRA-EZE-SCL, LH already had traffic rights for both GRU-SCL and GRU-EZE. I have flown EZE-GRU-FRA about 4 times, and I have to say that 95% of pax were continuing to FRA, with only 5% leaving at GRU. Don't know how things did in GRU-SCL.
As the flight was just uploaded in the CRS, your booking will be send on the travel agents queue, who is responsible to inform you about an schedule change.
Danke schön, I'll call my travel agent tomorrow morning.
As a Lufthansa Senator, I don't see this move too bad from a passenger point of view. I know it will add 2 more hours to my travel time, but I have to tell you guys the 744 is way more comfortable than the A346, plus on the northbound flight 14:15 is just too much. It is better to fly 11:50, strech your legs for a while and then continue to your final destination.
On the other side, I am really pissed of with this "we don't give a sh!t for our passengers" policy, which is becoming more and more normal at Lufthansa. I bet 99% of LH pax don't know about this news - no e-mail, no webpage updating, no nothing. Only aviation nuts know about it, since we constantly check Amadeus and browse aviation-related forums.
Anyway, I guess I'll give a try to RG, AC or UA next time I go visiting my relatives in Holland, as I still want to earn Miles & More miles.
Marambio (used-to-be proud Lufthansa Senator member)
Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8274 times:
Don't be so harsh with them. It came here as a breaking news fresh from the booking mashine. I updated my e-timetable from them last sunday, and it was not included. So give them some more days to inform their passengers. If you hanven't recieved any news at the beginning of January it is ok to blame.
Udo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8003 times:
Probably it was Mr. Jürgen Trittin who was pissed that no First Class was available any more to EZE. He might have told that to Wolfgang Mayrhuber who is known for accepting special requests from the green puppet...
25 Hardiwv: plus on the northbound flight 14:15 is just too much. It is better to fly 11:50, strech your legs for a while and then continue to your final destinat
26 Raivavae: when is AF CDG-SCL nonstop supposed to restart? thanks.
27 Hardiwv: This is the information posted on LH's webpage in Argentina: "Este cambio...esta motivado a su vez por un constante aumento de los costos de nuestra o
28 Lufthansa747: Not only does the 346 have new C class, but the 747 in LH config is pure torture in regular Y class rows. Not that the 340 is much better in cattle cl
29 FLYSSC: Raivavae, AF will restart CDG-SCL nonstop next winter 2005/6. 3 x Weekly nonstop CDG-SCL-CDG 3 x Weekly via EZE. Check this for more details : http://
30 Hardiwv: Currently AF flies daily to SCL with a stop-over in EZE. Does it mean that AF will reduce its flights to SCL to 6 x week? On the other hand, SCL will
31 Sabena332: Probably it was Mr. Jürgen Trittin who was pissed that no First Class was available any more to EZE. He might have told that to Wolfgang Mayrhuber wh
32 Johnnybgoode: LH was keen to put its A346 on the EZE-SCL routing because that service has never performed too well. apparently, the A346 was not the solution they h
33 FLYSSC: Hardiwv, You are right. Next summer AF will reduce From DAILY to 6 x Weekly its flights to SCL but with 3 x Weekly NONSTOP and 3 x Weekly via EZE. EZE
34 Marambio: I found this statement very vague to say the least. Maybe some of our A.net members from Argentina could help us with something more specific. Are ope
35 DABVF: Here an actual overwiew of LH's plans for Summer 2005: >> from Frankfurt LH 582 Kairo 1_3_56_ A330-200 LH 612 Baku - Ashgabat _2_4__7 A330-200 LH 648
36 Derico: I think the reasons have been stated by Hardiwv and others. German companies have huge investments and branches in GRU (Sao Paulo), which makes busine
37 Marambio: Derico: On the other hand, German companies are almost nonexistant in Argentina I beg your pardon? This isn't France or the US, but of course there ar
38 Hardiwv: Maybe RG will restart GRU-EZE-SCL, although I don't know if they had freedom rights in that route? To answer your question, RG does have traffic right
39 LHSTR: Heard someplace that the crews to EZE are at their max. working hours. So any delay might cause the need for a new crew That might have had some influ
40 Rafabozzolla: So, who has the edge on seats offered on the Brazil-Germany market? RG offers 11 MD11 flights (7 GIG-FRA, 4 GRU-MUC) plus 7 777 (GRU-FRA) and LH has 7
41 123: Put it in another way: I have never ease with reserving a flight from EZE or GRU to FRA. Flights are always very full in all booking classes. If GRU h
42 Sabena332: Heard someplace that the crews to EZE are at their max. working hours. Who cares? Signed, Joachim Hunold (CEO of Air Berlin)
43 LH526: And again my username routing get's a facelift. Whenever I flew LH526 90% of all passengers deboarded in EZE ... so the flight must be well booked in
44 PPVRA: I dont want to make "terrorism", but I have a voice telling me that BA will very soon terminate its flight to EZE and GIG, leaving its service to LHR-
45 Marambio: Heard someplace that the crews to EZE are at their max. working hours. Who cares? Signed, Joachim Hunold (CEO of Air Berlin) Hahahahaha!! That comment
46 EZEIZA: "This strange schedule will only last a month - from Saturday, February 19, 2005 until Saturday, March 26, 2005, which, in my opinion, makes things ev
47 Marambio: Hey guys, I just received a letter from Lufthansa's Regional Director for Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay and Bolivia explaining the situation. According
48 Derico: Marambio, Compared to German investment in Brazil, there is no comparison. That's what I meant. Either way, it's more than obvious that economy seats
49 HB-IWC: I don't really understand why most people are so positive about this move, which is clearly designed to be a cost cutting measure with negative effect
50 Hardiwv: I don't really understand why most people are so positive about this move As you mentioned, this move will benefit Brazil in general and Sao Paulo in
51 EddieDude: Sorry to go a bit off-topic. DABFV, what about LH's second flight to MEX during the summer months (operating 4x weekly also with a 744)? Won't it be r
52 DABVF: @ EddieDude: There will not be a second flight FRA-MEX in Summer 05, only the daily run LH 498/499.
53 EddieDude: Thanks for the clarification DABVF. That's too bad. You know the reason? The market is definitely there. Maybe LH could start a few weekly flights fro
54 Arcano: I also agree that SCL seems to be the perfect candidate for LH to leave. Chileans has no tradition of immigration (and emmigration), since we are used
55 DABVF: @ EddieDude: Hmm a flight MUC-MEX would be a good idea, but there's one problem: which aircraft? Possible would be A340-600 and B747-400 - the A340-30
56 Neo: I agree that SCL is likely to be dropped by LH next year or so... as per EZE I think that LH will probably reinstate the non-stop flight next winter..
57 Neo: On a side note: For obvious reasons, with the exception of some markets for Iberia and Air Europa, Brazil is the most important market for Europea air
58 Pdpsol: hey Neo, Both CO and AA used to operate NONSTOP flights EWR-GIG and JFK-GIG daily before 09/11. Believe me, I used to be a loyal customer of both serv
59 Marambio: Right now, only AA operates a nonstop JFK-EZE AR resumed its 3x weekly, non-stop EZE-JFK service with A342 a few weeks ago. Saludos, Marambio
60 HB-IWC: As PPVRA noted, FRA-GIG nonstop will now be left for RG to operate. After all, LH has to leave "something" for RG...and LH pax could easily make the c
61 Hardiwv: I also agree that SCL seems to be the perfect candidate for LH to leave. Chileans has no tradition of immigration (and emmigration), since we are used
62 HB-IWC: This would certainly make KL stop flying to GRU. Or look for another code-share partner. Or re-enter the EZE market by their own means. If KLM decides
63 JoFMO: Why is JJ abandoning all its codeshares? It looks as if they want to clean hpuse for something new. Regarding their limited international network, one
64 Hardiwv: JoFMO: Why is JJ abandoning all its codeshares? It looks as if they want to clean hpuse for something new. Regarding their limited international netwo
65 Arcano: But another question If LH restart non stop to Argentina, would they have enough demand for filling a 346/744? No matter how low SCL loads are, but it
66 PPVRA: Arcano, Probably, but AR nor LAN belongs to Star... unless RG re-starts their EZE-SCL service again I think it's unlikey we'll see that. Cheers, PPVRA
67 Anxebla: Hardiwv:LAN doesn't need flying to any European airport, other than Madrid. Why?because LAN prefers to use its limited A-340's (I think currently they
68 Argentina: According to Res systems, LH would be going back to the present Southern Cone Schedule (1 SCL-EZE-FRA and 1 GIG-GRU-FRA) on October 30th. Could it be
69 Hardiwv: Could it be that they didn't update the Schedules in Res systems? LH announces in its Brazilian webpage that the arrangement will go on until Feb/06.
70 Anxebla: Hardiwv, they do SCL-MAD-FRA. Destinations like LHR, CDG/ORY, FCO, LIS, BCN, MXP... are under that LA/IB code-share agreement. On the other hand, IB a
71 Aero: LH: Friends at LH in FRA told me about flights and aircrafts options for future flights to BUE, SCL, GIG and GRU. LH hasn´t really decided how servic
72 TBCITDG: Aero: Where did you get the information that BA will be leaving Latin America???
73 Arcano: New A340´s will be arriving in 2006 for LAN´s network extension AFAIK, the 5th 340 is scheduled to arrive during 2005. Hardi: LAN only served FRA an
74 Aero: TBCITDG: I´ve heard of BA plans from BA staff..of course they will always keep their frequencies to Brazil and Mexico, but almost all LatAm destinati
75 Hardiwv: I´ve heard of BA plans from BA staff..of course they will always keep their frequencies to Brazil and Mexico, but almost all LatAm destinations will
76 HB-IWC: I personally think that GRU will keep the two flights and EZE will get direct nonstop services again. Highly unlikely to happen, as that would mean a
77 JoFMO: @HC-IWC: I don't see that as tha unlikely. In winter they there are generelly more spare aircrafts and then sometimes the new 346 are delivered.
78 JoFMO: Is here somebo0dy at this board who was booked for the 5th freedom leg EZE-SCL only? What has happened to you booking? Have they booked you on the tri
79 Arcano: Arcano: Do you know if LanEcuador´s flight from Quito/Guayaquil to MAD are also code-shared with IB?. What about LanPerú and Iberia out of Lima? Not
80 Flugzeug747: LH is planning on flying double daily FRA GRU FRA. Then, the flight will fly the extension to SCL and EZE. The FRA GIG FRA is being turned over to STA
81 TBCITDG: Funny I hear the opposite from their staff in SIN. Last 'rumour' I heard was that loads are very healthy between LHR-GRU-EZE. As for their staff bases
82 Lima: Very interesting topic. Sorry about this slightly off-topic question. Last Sunday (16th) an Airbus A340-600 from Lufthansa was with a technical proble
83 MAH4546: Not sure though if for miles, LAN is taken as 1 big airline. I think it's not. They are all under one brand identity, but LA/LP/XL are entirely sepera
84 Hardiwv: Hardi: LAN only served FRA and MAD in Europe. As Anxebla said, due to the strong alliance with IB there's not much sense in flying a broader network t
85 LVZXV: Hardi: I flew on BA to EZE shortly before Christmas and returned about a week ago. LHR-GRU/GRU-LHR: Yes, every seat was occupied. GRU-EZE/EZE-GRU: Cha
86 Hardiwv: LVZXV: Tks for the details...I was waiting for your trip report on BA! Any chance? I would assume loads to be excellent this time of the year - I just
87 LVZXV: Hardi: Happy New Year! Yes, there is a strong chance of a trip report on BA, although this last time I was mostly down in Tierra del Fuego and Punta d