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American Airlines Ever In Amsterdam?  
User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7465 times:

Now that we already have 5 major airliners from the US (NW, UA, CO, DL, US) in high frequencies flying to AMS to different hubs (MSP, DET, IAD, ORD, EWR, IAH, ATL, CVG, JFK, PHL), will we ever see American Airlines opening a service to AMS from one of their hubs ?



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User currently offlineKDTWFlyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 830 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

Looks like they used to in the past...


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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1374 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7412 times:

IMHO, not very likely. With the carriers you mentioned there is plenty of capacity, and not much room for another...

AA had planned ORD-AMS before 9/11, then dropped it. Don't see this route coming to fruition...


User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7310 times:

AMS would be a good market for AA out of ORD, JFK or the new DFW International Terminal D. I think there would be enough demand to warrant a 763 on the route. They are currently the ONLY US major that doesn't serve Amsterdam.

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7231 times:
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AA's partner in One World is out of LHR (BA) why even consider AMS except for O&D passengers. There are better cities and countries for AA to look at other than AMS!


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User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

There are better cities and countries for AA to look at other than AMS!

AMS is doing very good with a high amount of convenient connecting possibilities, Do not forget how successful CO is doing from/to AMS, Also DL most profitable route is ATL-AMS

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7184 times:
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"AMS is doing very good with a high amount of convenient connecting possibilities, Do not forget how successful CO is doing from/to AMS, Also DL most profitable route is ATL-AMS
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All Sky Team airlines!!!!



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User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7170 times:

Ok, I can see your point, However CO and DL were already doing very good to AMS before they entered the Sky Team alliance.

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7152 times:
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AMS, I think if AA started up service now they would be up against the carriers from the USA that have already been in the market for years and have built up a following, thus making it harder for them to grow the market for themselves.


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User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7172 times:

I think if AA started up service now they would be up against the carriers from the USA that have already been in the market for years and have built up a following, thus making it harder for them to grow the market for themselves.

OK, fair point, On the other side if AA would fly to AMS it could offer the following possibilities for their Passengers, Also in conjunction with the Open Skies agreements between the U.S and the Netherlands:

EI.....can Offer codeshare flights from Dublin and Cork v.v.

BA.....Can Also offer codeshare flights to even offer more possibilities, especially to LON

AY/IB can offer more possibilities to HEL, MAD,BCN

CX.....AA Passengers would have the possibility to connect on the Daily CX flight to HKG and beyond.

Regards,
AMS



User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7129 times:
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AMS.

Good point and well taken.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

OK, fair point, On the other side if AA would fly to AMS it could offer the following possibilities for their Passengers, Also in conjunction with the Open Skies agreements between the U.S and the Netherlands:

EI.....can Offer codeshare flights from Dublin and Cork v.v.

BA.....Can Also offer codeshare flights to even offer more possibilities, especially to LON

AY/IB can offer more possibilities to HEL, MAD,BCN

CX.....AA Passengers would have the possibility to connect on the Daily CX flight to HKG and beyond.


Why would AA passengers need to fly to AMS to connect to those when they are offered from the US? AA codeshares with IB on JFK/MIA/ORD-MAD; with AY on MIA/JFK-HEL; with EI on BWI/BOS/ORD/JFK/LAX-DUB/SNN, with CX on JFK/LAX/SFO/YVR-HKG. There is no need to have passengers connect in Amsterdam.



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

The ex-USA AMS market is somewhat hit-or-miss - it's a good market for CO/NW but a weak one for US, for example. Given the entrenched players on ORD/JFK-AMS, and the likelihood that DFW-AMS would flop miserably, it makes sense for AA to bypass a chance at AMS in exchange for more lucrative opportunities.


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User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

There is a HIGH density of Dutch/U.S passengers traveling between the U.S and the Netherlands. Also there is a very high traffic between AMS and the Caribbean, Netherlands Antilles, Since AA is the number 1 U.S airline to this region, it can benefit from this, and also there are many passengers from Germany and Belgium flying from AMS.

I do not claim that AA should start a 777 service!, but in my opinion there are some possibilities for AA, and also since there is no place to grow anymore at LHR for example, AMS can be a good option.

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7028 times:

The main problems are looking at AA's hubs...

ORD-AMS is well served and doesn't need more service.

DFW-AMS is a weak market.

MIA-AMS can handle more capacity, but is a weak-yielding market. Martinair Holland is perfectly suited for it.



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

"There is a HIGH density of Dutch/U.S passengers traveling between the U.S and the Netherlands"

There is also a HIGH amount of capacity on USA-AMS flights, offered by a combination of US, Dutch, and third-country players. AA would be an also-ran capturing low-yield VFR traffic at best.



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User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6991 times:

ORD-AMS is well served and doesn't need more service

Ok, UA and KL/NW are offering direct service, however this a high demanding route, Even when RJ and KU had direct flights, Flights were most of the time fully booked

DFW-AMS is a weak market

DFW is the main HUB for AA, and this would offer many convenient connecting flights on the AA network.

MIA-AMS can handle more capacity, but is a weak-yielding market. Martinair Holland is perfectly suited for it.

MIA has always done very good from AMS, Yes MP is having frequent (Full) flights most of the time to MIA, but is definitely not a weak yielding market.

Regards,
AMS



User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6893 times:

I heard that for US and UA, AMS is one of the worst performing cities.


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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6887 times:

AA's partner in One World is out of LHR (BA) why even consider AMS except for O&D passengers. There are better cities and countries for AA to look at other than AMS!

AA could very easily make a DFW-AMS work or a ORD-AMS work and it would be profitable. The problem AA has is, they want to expant, but don't have the hardware. AMS would take planes from their fleet that they could be flying into other European destinations...ATH, BCN, FCO, etc

Regards,
AA777jr


User currently offlineBAtripleseven From Greece, joined Dec 2004, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6090 times:

JFK-AMS would do well with American

User currently offlinePanAm707320B From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6005 times:

Does anyone know when or why AA originally withdrew from AMS? Itt appears they flew there sometime in the past if the photo above is anything to go by.

Regards


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

"AA could very easily make a DFW-AMS work or a ORD-AMS work and it would be profitable. The problem AA has is, they want to expant, but don't have the hardware."

AA has the hardware - it's just a matter of re-jiggering the intra-North America 763 allocations. However, as stated earlier, AMS is a VERY fickle transatlantic market - the city is a high-yield gold mine for some carriers (e.g., NW, CO) and a low-yield scourge for others (US). AA has probably decided that serving AMs is not worth the financial risk for the time being.



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User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

"AMS would take planes from their fleet that they could be flying into other European destinations...ATH, BCN, FCO, etc"

FCO maybe, but you would see AA serve AMS before Barcelona or Athens, would you not?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

. AMS would take planes from their fleet that they could be flying into other European destinations...ATH, BCN, FCO, etc

AA flies ORD-FCO and JFK-FCO.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5758 times:

I heard that for US and UA, AMS is one of the worst performing cities.

UA maintained 777 service on the route right up to the recent Pacific expansions.

Cargo. Cargo is the major reason why AMS works out well. AMS's "trading post" status makes it a great place to fly planes with spare belly capacity.

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25 AMS : Cargo. Cargo is the major reason why AMS works out well. AMS's "trading post" status makes it a great place to fly planes with spare belly capacity. Y
26 Manni : ... CX.....AA Passengers would have the possibility to connect on the Daily CX flight to HKG and beyond... Since when is this flight daily? I think CX
27 Diezel : Personally I would love to see AMS-MIA by AA connecting to their extensive South American and Caribbean network. It would save me the trouble of one e
28 Chris78cpr : No point them starting this route, they stick em on the flights to LHR and then conect them on BA hops over the channel. Im sure BA likes it as it fil
29 Keesje : Perhaps AA wants to avoid Blue/Red tails doing AMS-DFW as a reaction.. Both will have A332´s perfect for that job..
30 AMS : Personally I would love to see AMS-MIA by AA connecting to their extensive South American and Caribbean network. It would save me the trouble of one e
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