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Rumors Re: More L1011s For ATA..  
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7501 times:

I mentioned this the other day (seen on another board) and just read today that:

"The aircraft in question are ex-Saudi L1011-200's. Ten of them have been parked at Raif, Saudi Arabia (OETF) since the late 1990's. ATA is rumored to be interested in five of them with a power by the hour arrangement. They are powered by the RB211-524B"

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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7231 times:

Yeah,but how much work will they require after sitting in the Saudi desert for 5 years ?


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User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7211 times:

*sigh* Why pick up more of these old junkers when they can go pick up fuel efficient 76's from the desert. This makes no sense at all......  Nuts


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

Because they've got pilots typed in the L10, they can probably get them for a song seeing as how no one else wants them, and they already have a spares inventory.

User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7162 times:

Ummmm the 75/76 have a common cock-pit.... So I don't see a type problem.


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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7114 times:


Perhaps they will part them out.


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

Ummmm the 75/76 have a common cock-pit.... So I don't see a type problem.

No argument there. The folks typed in the 75 are likely busy flying the 75.

Anyone know what the rumored plans are for these jets. Is ATA looking to expand AMC contract operations? From some of Clipper002s comments in another thread, sounds like World has all the AMC business it can handle.


User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1983 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7086 times:

Could they be used for the tx flights ATA are supposedly planning?SNN,GLA,CGN etc...


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User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2146 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

Everyone always brings up the fuel efficiency comments when it comes to operating old aircraft. True, they burn more fuel. BUT, who's making more money? An airline based in MSP with 40 year old gas guzzling DC-9's and a bunch of DC-10's, or an ORD based airline with a brand new fleet of fuel efficient Airbus and other modern twinjet aircraft? Hmmmmmm.

[Edited 2004-12-23 23:18:15]

User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6896 times:

Good point my Bag smasher friend .... What costs more, an airplane payment or a gas bill ???


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User currently offlineJran225 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 308 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6858 times:

Hey guys,

this is absolutely fantastic news...at least for a hardcore Tristar fan such as myself! Living near BWI, I am used to seeing TZ's Tristar 500s on a regular basis and I'm still trying to hunt down N194AT. Most of the AMC charters we get at BWI arrive from FRA. Does anybody here know whether the Tristar 200s have the range to fly FRA-BWI non-stop?? Any info would be very much appreciated! Smile

Regards,
-Omar S.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6814 times:

ost of the AMC charters we get at BWI arrive from FRA. Does anybody here know whether the Tristar 200s have the range to fly FRA-BWI non-stop?? Any info would be very much appreciated!

FRA-BWI is 3,500 nm, so figure in another 500nm for the actual routing distance and another 500nm for wind penalties and weather for a trip distance of 4,500 nm. This should be doable with a L1011-200....

Good point my Bag smasher friend .... What costs more, an airplane payment or a gas bill ???

It isn't always that simple. If these aircraft have been in storage for a long time, refurbishement cost could add up quickly, heavy maintenance might be required, ect. In any event, the worldwide fleet of active L1011s is below 50 (I believe), so support of these aircraft through the next decade will likely dwindle. More L1011's are not a long-term solution to ATA's needs....


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6756 times:

Fuel effeciency is not an issue for an AMC flight. The government pays for the fuel.
Yes, I'm sure World gets more requests than they can handle. From what I hear, so do we. With 25.000 more troops moving in, the business is ever expanding ...

The Saudi -200's are said to be in good shape and have low hours. If this deal goes through, it will be a great moneymaker for us!!



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 6655 times:

Yes,but 5 years in the Saudi desert can't be good for a plane,let alone all the rubber in/on it .....


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 6627 times:

Let alone the newest L1011 is 20 years old. They only made 250 of 'em. Parts can't be in huge supply  Smile


'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

A good site for L1011 enthusiasts...

http://flytristar.tripod.com/page/specs.html


User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 6596 times:

The only real range requirement AMC has, is for an aircraft to make SEA-Japan nonstop. Only the -500 (and the -250) can do that. But the Japan flights will go away in the fall of -06.

As for parts, the AZ and CA desert is full of 1011-spares ... and storing an aircraft in the Saudi desert is probably no worse then storing an aircraft in the American desert ..



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7482 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 6590 times:

Hey,I've got some L10 pics from IGM on there. The L will all be close to my heart. My first widebody/Int'l/movie flight was on 2 DL L's CVG-ZRH in July '95. Wish I wrote down the reg's.  Sad


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User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

>Ten of them have been parked at Raif, Saudi Arabia (OETF)<


For the record, OETF is Taif, Saudi Arabia, not Raif.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4778 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 6486 times:
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The L will all be close to my heart. My first widebody/Int'l/movie flight was on 2 DL L's CVG-ZRH in July '95. Wish I wrote down the reg's.

I can relate to this very much. My first flying experience was on a Hawaiian L1011 (SFO-HNL-SFO) back in '92. Wish I was older at the time, and as involved in the aviation community as I am now. I'd probably remember much more vivid details from the experience.



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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7525 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 5958 times:

How many Hrs/Cycles is the L1011 certified for?.

User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 5754 times:

Why will the SEA-Japan flights go away?


You mad Bro???
User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 5733 times:

Why do they need more L10's?

Look at this......




You mad Bro???
User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 5722 times:

Sorry here it is


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Derek Hellmann




You mad Bro???
User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 17 hours ago) and read 5500 times:

Hmm, good point Alexinwa.

Only thing I can think of (and I'm anything but a TriStar expert) is that those are listed as L-1011-385-1's and ATA is looking at Saudi's -200 models. Is this correct?

-Andrew


25 BENNETT123 : Per Jet Airliner Production List, N195AT was converted to Tristar 50 in 1987 and to Tristar 150 in 1990. Per Airlife Airliner 12, range data with Max
26 Clipper002 : The 1011 cannot make it non-stop form SEA to OKO with the payload required by AMC. The requirement is for 360 seats. WO has this sewn up until the mar
27 KaiGywer : Kinda off topic, but why is the tail of plane number four from the top different?
28 LN-MOW : Clipper002 - that is incorrect ... World and ATA are sharing these flights. We are using the -500 with 281 seats, it has plenty range. The -200 howeve
29 Ramerinianair : KaiGwyer, The tail is different as part of a marketing deal for pleasant holidays. I believe they were flying charters to Hawaii for a travel consolid
30 Clipper002 : LN-MOW, You are absolutely correct. I apologize. We had the -500 at Pan Am and they were pieces of junk. Forever having avionics problems. Have a Merr
31 Post contains images Ilsapproach : I guess TZ could make some money with a few more transporting troops back and forth to Iraq.........................cuz it looks like were going to be
32 Northwest 777 : I see that someone posted the ranges of all the variants up through the -200s but I don't see what L1011-500s are capable of doing at max payload. Can
33 Post contains images Northwest 777 : Nevermind, I guess I can answer my own question by going to the website that someone posted. The one for all L1011 enthusiasts to go to. Gosh, this po
34 Tztristar500 : Alright, now I am a BIG L-1011 fan and I love supporting it in our fleet almost on a daily basis, but I am a realist from my exposure to it for almost
35 DfwRevolution : Relying on L-1011's would be disasterous and this company would deserve to fail with such a sorry business plan. If this happens, I for one will not s
36 Sllevin : Why pick up more of these old junkers when they can go pick up fuel efficient 76's from the desert. I'd assume that it might not be worth it to get th
37 BENNETT123 : Tztristar 500 1. Does you figure of 50 include aircraft that are parked but still basicly flyable. 2.Are you saying that most parts that are fitted ha
38 ATAIndy : So if TZ does end up getting more L1011's will they paint them in the new c/s??
39 BENNETT123 : Given that they are for AMC contracts, I suspect that they will change the logos not the colours. The less spent the better.
40 Starrion : I think that was one of the most well reasoned posts I have seen. The L1011 was a great aircraft in it's day, but the day is over. With a poor level o
41 TZTriStar500 : BENNET123, 1) The figure of less than 50 is those that are currently flying. According to the Lockheed "goldenrod" fleet list, 78 are stored. Of those
42 BENNETT123 : Thanks for that. It is a pity that the Saudi fleet has been effectively dumped as they would be a ready made fleet. I hope that ATA get the aircraft
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