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User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 2858 times:

Does anyone know why RU (Continental Express, BTA) would stop all traffic at CLE when all other airlines are still operating? I could understand it if the aircraft couldn't reverse but the RJ's have reverse thrust and are just as capable of stopping on the runways as the larger jets are. Thanks in advance,

-Andrew

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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2790 times:

Why do you think Continental's ontime record is one of the best??

They cancel flights at the slightest chance of bad weather, rather than delay them!


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

BigOrange

Get a clue we are burried in snow here in the CLE area!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6195 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Call me crazy, but the weather is pretty damn aweful in Cleveland. Yes other airlines are not canceling, but COEX flys about 4 flights into CLE for every other plane. I think with that kinda of ratio that your chances of seeing COEX cancel flights is a lot more likely.

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2730 times:

Actually big orange your in dream world! Our completion facts are of the highest of any airline. WE NEVER CANCEL! In 3 years I can problem recall how many times a flight of mine has been canceled and thats from flying thousands of hours. CLE is buried in SNOW I was working out of there yesterday.  Insane


"TWA... One Mission, Yours."
User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

Sorry but as a travel agent in the EWR area I beg to differ.

The slightest sign of bad weather and flights are cancelled. During the hurricane season, EWR flights were showing in flifo as possible delays due to Hurricane whatever, even though the flight was from somewhere out west to EWR and the Hurricane hadn't made landfall in Florida yet.

This morning a flight from YOW was cancelled due to weather in EWR but it wasn't even raining yet.


User currently offlineGroundstop From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

The reason Continental and Expressjet have stopped all traffic is due to ramp congestion. They are simply out of parking spots for airplanes. You've got crews in outstations without planes and planes in CLE without crews. The other airlines at CLE are bit-players at best. Its a lot easier for them to drop an ERJ in from ORD and get it back out than it is for COA or BTA to coordinate their flights. Delta and Comair did the same thing yesterday in CVG and Comair did it again this morning as well.

Big Orange, I'm not sure what your level of knowledge is of aviation. Your YOW example from this morning leads me to believe you may not know too much about the FAA ATCSCC delay system. Rain is not the only form of weather that will delay/cancel a flight. Prior to today's rain, ceilings were well below the tolerances for visual approaches at EWR, LGA, and PHL. Thus, there were groundstops and ground delay programs. So, the actual reason for the cancellation likely was 'weather'. As far as your hurricane example, did you check the line of flying of that aircraft. Suppose it was routed IAH-GCM-EWR-'somewhere west of EWR'-EWR. If the GCM leg was disrupted due to a hurricane, wouldn't it stand to reason that the rest of that line's delay would be due to hurricane?


User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2681 times:

Big Orange,

Seriously, what is your experience in the industry? Have you worked at the SOCC for any airline ever? The reason why we pulled the plug was a combination of factors: First HATCH said they would only take 3 arrivals per hour after the 20Z, second our aircraft transition between markets and basically in order to spare EWR and IAH we used the aircraft at the outstations to the other hubs instead of CLE. Finally, crew availability, station personnel, and just plain common sense take the rest of the pie. As I mentioned above, unless you work in the SOCC you have no idea why we make the decisions we make. Our completion factor is even better than our big brother! That should say something about our company.

Cheers

Hansel

[Edited 2004-12-23 23:34:16]


Flying is a privilege!
User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6195 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Big Orange your right! (Sarcasim) I hate when my airline has to cancel a flight due to an incoming hurricane. Those jets perfom fantastically when landing in 40-50kt. winds and strong rain. But hey we got the plane there, yet as a real safety risk. Safety is an Airlines number one position. Now back to the topic. COEX flys hundreds of flights into CLE and it, if there are no gates, no planes, stranded crews and heavy snow I don't know what you expect them to do.

My step-mom is a travel agent as well. Believe me I know the one sided view they have of airlines. But airlines have are in a business that is extremely safety sensitive. Period!

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineClefan From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

There was heavy snow, 16 inches at the airport, then rain, then freezing rain, then more snow making the snow not only very heavy, but almost solid. It has been very difficult to move. The runways and taxiways have been cleared, but the problems are with the jetways and ramps. Supposed to get really cold today and tomorrow, but the lake effect snow machine will be kicking in as well.

Also, one of the Cleveland news stations is reporting that United has ran out of deicing fluid, thus all of their flights but one have been canceled for tonight.

Also, its not just CO or COEX canceling flights, its everyone.


User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

They cancel flights at the slightest chance of bad weather, rather than delay them!
***

I would also have to disagree with this. Continental has the lowest cancelation rate of any of the major airlines, and by a wide margin.

J


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

I think on the year we have maintained about a 99.8% or better completion rate, with as many as 100 cancellation-free days in 2004. I don't know the exact numbers, though Gordon mentioned it in his last voicemail to employees. It is by far the best in the industry, and as a line pilot flying a full schedule every month, I can vouch for that from a position arguably closer to the operational aspect of the airline than most others.

User currently offlineNyskymasters From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

BigOrange sounds like nothing other than a very disgruntled travel agent. But then again most travel agents are disgruntled these days. And, fyi, canceled flights count as late by DOT rules. If you are going to make a nasty comment perhaps you should at least have your facts straight.

User currently offlineEwr767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

I can also speak on this issue. In the 5 years that i have been a flight attendant, i have never had a flight that i worked that was cancelled. On the cotntrary, i think personally we would rather delay delay delay rather than cancel a flight. This is not based on any facts other than what my experience has been as a flight attendant. I also know for a fact that cle was buried in snow.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

They cancel flights at the slightest chance of bad weather, rather than delay them!

Right. That's why we took 5, 6, 7 hour delays on the mainline flights on Thursdays.

Some people shouldn't talk about things they don't know about.

Sorry but as a travel agent in the EWR area I beg to differ.

Sorry, BigOrange, but as a CO employee IN CLEVELAND, I beg to differ. You don't have clue, so why not quite while you're behind?

CO set a record for over 100 days of 100% completion of flights this year. COEX had almost as many. That's not the m/o of an airline that does what you say. Again, quite while you're behind.

After Hopkins got, officially, about 17 inches of rain, and about an inch of ice since Wedensday, after struggling to keep runways open; after a lot of aircraft and crews out or whack; after the ramp and taxiways, at times, almost impassable from snow and ice, I'm hoping things are returning to normal on Christmas Eve. Fortunately, in the afternoon, we're running a reduced holiday schedule, and that also should help get the system back in sync.

Big Orange, come spend ONE DAY, doing what I did today, in the conditions we had to endure, and you wouldn't be so ignorant in your comments.


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2435 times:

Also check your irline codes when posting. RU is pulling up as Skyking Air. But remember we are at the beginning of another winter. So things will just get better (sarcasm) from here on out. Just wait until Feb/Mar as that is when things tend to go a little haywire with the winter weather.



Sean from MCO and MKE



I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

Actually RU is the IATA code as well as the DOT code for ExpressJet Airlines which does business as Continental Express. I know it's a duplicate code, but I think maybe the Airliners.net people might want to fix that in their system seeing as ExpressJet has hundreds of flights per day where TCI Skyking operates far fewer through their Turks & Caicos base.

-Andrew


User currently offlineRjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

I think the RU code is a remnant of old Britt Airways ,who flew many CO express flights in CLE and IAH

User currently offlineTpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

this whole thread is pointless, since a cxld flt=late flt. one can never cxld into being on time.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5600 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2309 times:

CRPilot said: "... our aircraft transition between markets and basically in order to spare EWR and IAH we used the aircraft at the outstations to the other hubs instead of CLE."

Are you saying it's CO policy that if it's a choice between CLE and EWR or CLE and IAH, the CLE flight always gets cancelled? I've long suspected this was the case.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineNyskymasters From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2297 times:

That is not what CRPilot is saying if I read it right. I believe what s/he is trying to say is that if a hub is basically shut down then you do not pile up all your assets by running massive delays. You use your assets to the best you can and then when that hub is getting near a point in time where operations can start up again then you start back in there. That makes the recovery time much shorter. A few years back it took days to recover from a major snow storm. Continental and Continental Express have proven that they can generally get a hub operating a full speed within a day.

User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Oh one more thing.... That YOW cancellation was due to strong winds in EWR. I know it I was there my BWI turn was canceled.... Both mine was light and so was the following flight. Everyone got home... Hmmm what two hours late? I mean get real!


"TWA... One Mission, Yours."
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Well, XJT again cancelled all fights out of CLE on Christmas Eve. A combination of crew difficulties, planes out of position, the city doing a piss-poor job at removing snow from around D, and the fact that most of the jetways were inoperable added up to a Christmas Eve to forget in CLE.

I'm so damned glad this week is over....


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 23, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Yes I can confirm what Falcon is saying as I waited until 3:00 PM to leave for the airport for my 5:15 PM flight to BNA only to get out to the airport to find out that my flight is no longer going to be, well going! Oh well this stuff happens, got a refund, called Mom and both broke the news to her and also wished her a happy bday (she turns 70 today) and now making the best of it.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Falcon84, you'd make a great Flight Attendant, ever considered it?  Laugh out loud


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
25 Swadispatcher : Luv2fly, Why didn't you hop on one of our CLE-BNA flights? We had seats available and you could have gone home..
26 Luv2fly : Swadispatcher Well to be honest with you I never thought of that, is that terrible to say or what! Sorry! Also I needed to return on Sunday as I have
27 Swadispatcher : Understood.. flights back on sunday are only booked in the upper 90's.. sux that you aren't goin to see 'em for xmas..
28 Post contains images Falcon84 : GKirk, why the heck would I make a good f/a? Although before getting this job, I did interview with EA, AA, CO, and Republic for f/a. I'm kinda glad I
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