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Any News On The New SAN Airport  
User currently offlineBoeingDrew From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 55 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

I have been following the SAN airport quite attentively for the last year or so and was wondering how far have they narrowed the sites down? Is it just me or would the Miramar site be the optimal site for the airport? If you got any other news or other information I would appreciate to hear that also! Thanks for reading.  Smile

Happy Holidays,
Drew


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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

The newly-formed San Diego County Regional Airport Authority is tasked with identifying and analyzing potential sites for a new airport. Based on their findings, a public vote will be held in 2006 to determine the site of a new airport (I think).

The Authority's website is fairly informative (if continually under construction). Some of their interactive site analyses are pretty cool. Go to http://www.airportsiteselection.com/index.html

It's not just you--from an operational and economic standpoint, Miramar is the best site for a new airport. Whether or not it is politically feasible is another matter entirely. Ill-informed yet well-funded residents of La Jolla and Del Mar will fight it tooth and nail. And unless the Defense Department's Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) committee decides to shut down or relocate the Marine Corps Air Station at Miramar, it may not be an option anyway.

2006 is not that far away. It will be interesting to see whether Mayor Dick Murphy takes a stand on the issue as the vote nears, especially considering that San Diego will soon switch to a "strong mayor" form of governance.

Hope this helped!

Aaron G.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5099 times:

As much as San Diego needs a new airport, it will be a sad day when the last flight leaves Lindbergh, truly an original.


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User currently offlineBrink777 From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

I think North Island would be also a great site I hope they speed this up! one part of terminal 2 is ok but the rest of Linbergh field is a outdated dump!!

User currently offlineBrink777 From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

I forgot to mention that this new airport study has been going on for over 20years and they still have no solution how pathetic considering san diego is the 8th largest city in the country with no international flights to europe or asia!!

User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4983 times:

I myself think that Miramar is the best site for the new airport, from both a passenger and spotter standpoint (imagine the photo oppurtunities from the Miramar site!). The problem, as Trvlr stated, is that the NIMBYs (Not In My BackYards) in La Jolla and that general area are obviously going to vote against the idea. Frankly, I don't think it's gonna affect land values and all the other crap that they're spewing, but yes, they have money and they're willing to use it to fight this.

The logical solution, since the military probably doesn't dig the idea either, is to operate Miramar as a joint military/commercial airfield, sort of like FRA. Also, if you look at the map on the link provided, you see that Miramar's longest runway (12,000 ft.) is over a mile away from the closest freeway and development. That is enough distance to establish a climbing turn away from the residential areas and turn over the commercial areas (which is all you'll find on the main thoroughfare north of the base) and open, undeveloped land. A few months ago, a UA 747-400 flew in on a troop charter and that practice was seen. The fully-loaded 747 took off and turned north, away from the development and over open land, which is most just canyons anyway.

Being a frequent user of SAN, I love the current airport, but also realize that we need to expand, to open new oppurtunities, and I really hope in 2006 that San Diego County makes the right vote. Unfortunately, I won't be able to vote, as you have to be a resident of San Diego, but I certainly am hoping it all comes through.

PS. You NIMBYs out there, consider this- the economic stimulation gained from having a better airport will more than make up in the long term for the temporary drop in the value of your house.



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User currently offlineBrink777 From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4899 times:

I think NIMBYs should realize how much quiter airliners are compared to military jets! San747 I agree that would be the best location lets hope they speed it up!!

User currently offlineBoeingDrew From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4824 times:

It is a tough choice to make. The current SAN airport is unique and just plain cool. It is like a Kai Tak in it's own sense - appoaching through the city between buildings and hills. It is so special I heard that the airlines need specially trained pilots to land in SAN due to the obstructions in the landing path.

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Brink777 - I don't think the commuter terminal and terminal 1 are a "dump". Rather they just need some freshening up and they will be good as new.

I would only like to see a new airport if it brought more international flights into San Diego (along with some more heavies Big grin). Just my opinion, although it isn't worth much.

-Drew



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 912 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

The logical solution, since the military probably doesn't dig the idea either, is to operate Miramar as a joint military/commercial airfield, sort of like FRA. Also, if you look at the map on the link provided, you see that Miramar's longest runway (12,000 ft.) is over a mile away from the closest freeway and development

Problem is, NKX does not meet all of the requirements set by the authroity board. In particular, the parallel runways do not meet the minimum seperation distance that they were hoping for. I do think that the land Miramar (NKX) is situated on would be ideal, but much rework would be needed.

It might cost a fortune, but tunneling I-15 and building parallel runways about a mile east of the current runways would give another 5,000 feet of seperation from the runways and the communities west of I-805. There already is a fair amount of land on all sides of NKX, and an extra buffer might be able to appease Del Mar and La Jolla. I'm amazed Del Mar can make much of a complaint anyway.... I always thought they were several miles to the north....

Wait scratch my idea... forgot about the mountains to the east  Big grin

[Edited 2004-12-25 00:30:28]

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4742 times:

DfwRevolution: Your reservations about NKX are the same ones held by the Airport Authority. I urge you to go to their website--it has detailed analyses (in pdf format) of optimal airport layouts for each of the potential sites. The following link will take you to the interactive map of all of the sites.

http://www.airportsiteselection.com/map/map_load.html

For NKX, the current main runway 6L/24R (12000ftx200ft) would be retained, and a new runway built 5000 feet north. That's pretty much right next to where Miramar Road is right now. Here is the link to the analysis of Miramar. Best thing I've read in a long time:

http://www.airportsiteselection.com/map/pdf/3.04_MCAS%20Miramar.pdf

There is also an "East Miramar" option, somewhat similar to what you suggest, albeit without the tunneling. Here's the link to that analysis (remember, both are in pdf format).

http://www.airportsiteselection.com/map/map_load.html

Enjoy!

Aaron G.


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