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How Is The Truck Visible In This Photo?  
User currently offlineKAUST From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 99 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9028 times:

Greetings! May be a stupid question, but....
In this photo, taken from the flight deck of a C-5, how is the truck (which appears rather nearby), visible right through the windscreen? Considering the massive height of the Galaxy's cockpit, shouldn't the truck be well below the line of sight of it's windows?

Cheers -
KAUST

[Edited 2004-12-24 06:21:41]

Okay, for some reason I can't the link to A-net photos to work for the life of me. So here is the URL of that picture: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/498959/L/ Hopefully that will work.

KAUST

[Edited 2004-12-24 06:28:11]

[Edited 2004-12-24 06:29:03]


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8946 times:

Someone is standing up.


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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8929 times:

I wonder if the truck is on some large flatbed vehicle. Notice on the right windshield, a cab with a driver is visible. Almost like he's towing or pushing whatever the truck is on (but the truck has a driver) ???


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8915 times:

I agree, it looks like the truck is on top of something else....that C-5's cockpit is a good 30 feet up there, and it doesn't look like the photographer is standing THAT far up....and the nose must be down as well, or else we wouldn't have such a view out the front windscreen  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8886 times:

It's an optical illusion created by the aperture setting used by the photographer. Just a trick of the lens.
Yes it looks like the truck is on top of something, the tarmac.
The reflection is visible on what looks like wet ground.
No conspiracy or secrets here.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8856 times:


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Heres the Pic.
Guess its the Angle of the Camera.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8846 times:


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Heres the Pic.
Guess its the Angle of the Camera.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

Yea, the truck is setting on something, notice how the forklift is lower than the wheels of the truck.


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User currently offlineRDUBE90Pilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8673 times:

Look carefully. It seems the forward cargo door is open. You can barely see it through the top of the windscreens.

Not that it matters much in this discussion.

Eric


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2739 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8662 times:

The truck IS NOT on something, look at the front left tyre, you can see reflections from the tarmac where it has recently rained. Also, you can see a driver in the cab of the truck.

It's perspestive, the truck might be quiet a distance from the plane. The photograher has also used a wide angle lens, this could play a part in the truck looking closer than it actually is.

Regards,
Simon Nicholls



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User currently offlineTLIMA From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8361 times:

This definitely messes with one's mind! Nuts
If the truck is on the tarmac, than it would have to be some really HUGE truck. Also, where then would the forklift right behind it be? It looks "lower" but can't actually be below grade.
Weird stuff!



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User currently offlineSilverfox From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8257 times:

Simon

Just a technical offering

With a wide angle lens objests look further away


Picture still looks weird though

Ron


User currently offlineJeffb From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8148 times:

Just to through in my $0.02...

I agree with post #8. The cargo door is definetly open. See those two bars sitting dead center outside of the windshield? Yeah, thats the support struts.


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Now, if that is the case, That means the fronts wheels are lower for loading..


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So, I'd guess that the planes nose is pointed down slightly and the person taking the photo is standing up.. hence the illusion.

Anyone with me on that theory?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

-jeff



User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8118 times:

I totally agree with you Jeff...I was thinking the same thing until I read your post...I found that someone had thought the same as me

User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

This is obviously an edited picture. Even if it was real, look at all other pictures of the C5 cockpit. You see scenery outside. The only part of the "ramp" that you can see is under the tire of the truck and the rest of the picture is all white. This is an edited picture. Also notice the door supports, at the top they come over the "top" of the windscreen on the inside of it, thats obviously a cut and paste also. Reason I say that is look at the old "star nav" windows at the top, those are white too, not filled in as if the front cargo door is open. The only thing thats real from the picture is the cockpit.


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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8053 times:

As someone who has ground handled more C5s than I care to count, but has not spent that time on the flight deck....

A. Initial thought was the photo was doctored. A possibility....

B. It also could be that the C5 is "forward knelt". In other words the rear MLGs are fully extended and the nose gear is fully retracted. This configuration results in a decidedly nose down deck angle, useful for loading large objects and rolling stock with minimum ground clearance thru the nose with the visor raised.


User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8035 times:

That "photo" just screams "Photoshop!" to me!

Geoff M.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7727 times:

The photo is real. It's just an optical allusion. The Fire Truck in the photo is closer to the aircraft then it looks. Also, with the nose open, you loose the prospective of depth... you'll need to remember that the aircraft drops right off in front of the windows now. The second photo that JeffB used would be the view from the truck.....

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User currently offlineFoxy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 179 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6013 times:

I presume the truck is raised purely from the fact that there is a guy sitting in what looks like aforklift truck cab in the bottom left hand corner of the right window

User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5818 times:

Look at the forklift carefully. Where is there any depth to it. It has to be a doctored photo (I don't know why, unless its on a secure base). It looks like somebody cut out both the forklift and fire-truck... where is the depth to it? It looks like they were added last second in an attempt to get it approved.


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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3402 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5792 times:

I'm going with "doctored" as well.

User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5731 times:

Sorry gang, it's not doctored... i thought it might be a first but why would somebody go to the trouble when it's so easily explained in another way?

The exposure is set for inside the cockpit, hence the ramp (probably concrete) out the window is over exposed & washed out. The height and angle of the cockpit are easily explained by the kneeling landing gear of the C5. Probably the aft kneeling hydraulics are malfunctioning forcing a nose load or the load is low ground clearance and requires loading thru the nose....


User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4795 times:

Does anyone have any experience with Flight Simulator 2004? THE FIRE TRUCK IS THE EXACT ONE. THIS PICTURE IS A FAKE, ALSO LOOK AT THE GAUGES THEY ARE RIGHT OUT OF FLIGHT SIMULATOR, fake pictures a.net needs to remove this immediately!


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Again, it's not a fake...it's an optical illusion created by the cameras optic plain. A 747 flight deck is roughly the same height off the ground as a C-5. Take a look at these....


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User currently offlineRDUBE90Pilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4375 times:

Look at reply12. You can clearly see how far forward of the windscreens the botom of the cargo door is. Now look at the topic picture. Could there be a distortion of distance as mentioned. Looks that way to me.

PS That panel looks like most of the other C5's I was on while in the Air Force. Any info B757capt where the AF is getting all these FS2004 panel conversions?

Eric


25 Newark777 : The cockpit looks like a flight sim panel because the panels are designed to look like the real thing. Cameras can deceive with their images, and can
26 HaveBlue : I'm going with doctored as well. The cockpit part is real, but the view may be edited. In any case, to clear somethings up. It is not a 'trick of the
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