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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5238 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

According to the last gossip, in the first days of January AM will place an order for 3 B777-200ER plus 2 options. AM will lease the aircraft, I've been told that deal will be done via ILFC and delivery of the first aircraft is due for February of 2006. Hamlet69, by chance can you confirm?

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User currently offlineAndersNilsson From Sweden, joined May 2004, 418 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Nothing about that here yet:http://www.ilfc.com/press.htm
It will be nice to see AM 777s
Anders



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User currently offlineNAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

I have checked with Airbus and just rumors and wishfull
thinking.


They will not make any aquisitions until the sale is final.

Mexicana postponed an order of 15 A320/A321 which was
about to be announced until after the sale.

Anyone with additional information keep us informed.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

According to the last gossip, in the first days of January AM will place an order for 3 B777-200ER plus 2 options. AM will lease the aircraft, I've been told that deal will be done via ILFC and delivery of the first aircraft is due for February of 2006

I'm assuming you mean these will be new-builds then, and not second-hand frames from SQ as originally rumored? The size of the order sounds reasonable, and Boeing had mentioned they would likely land a new 777 customer soon.

It will be interesting to see which engine they choose if this is true.... Rolls Royce won the last new 777 customer (Air New Zealand), but that was the first order they had won for a new customer in a while.


User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2799 times:


>I have checked with Airbus and just rumors and wishfull
thinking<

And what would Airbus know, being that these Boeing aircraft?


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5238 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

I'm assuming you mean these will be new-builds then, and not second-hand frames from SQ as originally rumored?

Right, after some research done by the airline according to my source in AM, they've realized that in the long term it will be better for them to get new build models. In the short term he says best option is the second hand market SQ was offering, but AM will have patience. More over, AM needs time, 13 months are good for a better planning, considering that 2005 will be a very active year for the airline, including the sale of CINTRA, the retirement of the 757s, retirement of 10 to 15 MD80s, 13 additional new 737s, rumors of 2 767s joining and still studying other 737s versions in order to retire the last MD80s which will be around 30, still a big number and for sure more orders for Boeing.

It will be interesting to see which engine they choose if this is true.... Rolls Royce won the last new 777 customer (Air New Zealand), but that was the first order they had won for a new customer in a while.

It's highly probable that AM might be getting the GE90-94B.

Ricardo APM




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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Very good news! I'm looking forward to official announcements in early January ! Sounds logical with the GE90-94B; they could use the extra power since MEX on such a high altitude.

The777Man



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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2754 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

"Hamlet69, by chance can you confirm?"

Not at this time, no. I have not heard anything one way or the other.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out. The numbers you suggest would work - barely. ILFC only has four open -200ER slots, AFAIK (could be less, but definitely not more). According to the latest from Boeing, they are also not all the same engine type. As it breaks down currently, there are 2 Trents, 1 PW4000 and 1 GE90. OTOH, it's also not hard for a leasor like ILFC to switch engine orders (they adjusted engine orders at least twice this year, perhaps more).

Like The777Man, I would also expect a GE90-94B selection from AM, although I also wouldn't rule out the Trent 895, as ILFC's latest switch was 1 PW4000 to 1 Trent. . .

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Very good news! I'm looking forward to official announcements in early January ! Sounds logical with the GE90-94B; they could use the extra power since MEX on such a high altitude.

I'm relativly sure that the Trent 895 actually offers higher payload uplift on the 772ER than the GE90-94B. The Trent's weight several tons less than the GE90s, while delivering the same thrust, so more weight can be allocated to payload rather than structural weight.

That being said, the GE90 is still a great engine and the commonality with the GE90-115B is another plus.


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4967 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

AM is retiring the 757s? What A/C will they be using in its place? 73Gs? Or upgrading flights to 767s?

Thanks,
Alex



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User currently offlineNAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

JoseMEX

Because my Airbus contact has access to aircraft orders
new and leased from around the world.

Apparently both Aeromexico and Mexicana were/are looking
at combined aquisition power with aircraft manufacturers.

Right now everything is on hold until the companies are
sold and their futures determined.

Sorry for the confusion here.


User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

I don't understand why they would retire the 757? Anyone?


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

I guess I was wrong. I always said that Mexicana was going to get more widebodies before Aeromexico. I hope this happens, my favorite Livery/aircraft.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

I'm relativly sure that the Trent 895 actually offers higher payload uplift on the 772ER than the GE90-94B. The Trent's weight several tons less than the GE90s, while delivering the same thrust,

True, though there's more to it than that.

Also note that despite its name, the Trent895 is weaker than the GE90-94B on the 772ER... but only to the tune of a few hundred lb/ft.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

I don't understand why they would retire the 757? Anyone?

I'd like to know too. The 757 seems perfect for Aeromexico, it's a great performer in high, hot, and humid locations, performance few aircraft, if any, can match.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7634 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Ghost, very interesting news. Before this thread, the latest semi-official info I recall about the 772's was that they were going to be acquired in January but of 2006. Do you know or imagine when they will be delivered if they're ordered in January 2005? On another subject, with respect to the studying of other 737NG variants, hadn't AM already determined that 738's and 739's were not an option and that they would only be interested in a larger 737NG if Boeing built the 739X? Or is AM having a change of heart? IMHO, 738's with winglets would be fantastic additions to the fleet. Is there a place in AM's fleet for 736's?

NAVEGA, can you tell us more about the A321's that MX was considering? I think they are perfect aircraft to fly between CUN and some of MX's U.S. destinations. Otherwise, I think it has been mentioned here several times that they are not so good for operating out of MEX.

San747, Annoyedfa and FriendlySkies, the 752's are being retired because the lease payments are as high as the payments for the 767ER's so it does not make economic sense to AM. At least that's the reason that has been mentioned here. I too agree that 752's are among the best narrowbodies for the needs of Mexican carriers and the fact that the 739 and A321 are not true replacements makes their departure a very important loss. I guess that AM will operate 73W's and, once it expands its widebody fleet, 762ER's as replacements of the 752's. The only problem is that flying a 762ER is more expensive than flying a 752 and, in AM's case, both have the same seating capacity. I wish AM had more 763ER's. JFK, MIA and LAX can definitely support 763ER's instead of 752's. Even MEX-IAH can support widebody capacity, although cost-wise it might not be so smart.

How about LIM? Will it be upgraded to 767ER or downgraded to 73W?

Finally, does anybody know if the rumors that AM will be dropping CDG were only that, or is there any truth to it?



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5238 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 day ago) and read 1889 times:

Hamlet69,

Thank you very much for the given information! I hope we soon see an official confirmation from Boeing! Interesting to know the status of the current ILFC slots in line, if they already have 1 GE90 perhaps and hopefully they switch 2 more with GE90 for AM!


Apparently both Aeromexico and Mexicana were/are looking
at combined aquisition power with aircraft manufacturers.


AFAIK, AM and MX are looking for different types. While AM will be going Boeing, MX will continue the latest tradition and they will continue with Airbus. According to the latest CINTRA gossip, Asia more specifically, China and perhaps Japan will be given to MX while Europe will continue with AM.


Eddiedude,

Yes, according to the latest semi-official the T7 was due for Jan 06, but they will be postponed one more month to Feb 06. If AM orders the T7 in January 05 [as what I expect] delivery will take place on Feb 06 and Mar 06 of the first two aircraft. Third aircraft could come on Apr or May 06. In respect to the B73X subject, yes, AM already determined that 736s, 738s and 739s except for the 739ERX are not as good as the 73G but in Mexico and AM we can expect absolutely everything!

In respect to MX A321s, apparently the airline recently renegociate the high lease payments of their 757s and they will be staying around in MX a bit longer but this is not AM case, 757s are leaving in 2005.

As soon as the 757s leave AM's fleet Im not sure what will happen to LIM. But if 73G has the range for the route I see AM downgrading the route, or else, there might be possibilities of seeing AM giving away LIM to MX. MX will be able to place a 757 or A318/319/320s on the route!

Rumors of AM dropping CDG are false! I already saw all AM schedules for 2005 and AM will keep the route.

Finally, back to the topic, on December 23rd AM's new CEO sent a letter to all the employee's notifying that AM's is finally back on track and operating with black numbers, he confirms the arrival of the T7 (and more of this issue will be disclosed in the short term) and more important changes in the near future!


Ricardo APM




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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6676 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (10 years 17 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

Thanks for the update Ricardo!

Hope to see something official soon!

The777Man



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