Flyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1021 posts, RR: 5 Posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12935 times:
Looks like the shoe finally dropped as word has it from the pilots that US flight attendants did a sick out in PHL and when word got to their ramp, they staged one too. I mainly know this because two of their 757s MCO-PHL apparently wound up timing out waiting for additional crewmembers and advising the passengers that the flight was cancelled due to legality and all passengers would need to deplane and claim their baggage at the carosel. Of all the days...a christmas holiday. I would say the proverbial tombstone is now written, if not already before.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12839 times:
I wish this terrible airline would just GO! Do the right thing already! Instead of making pax lives miserable just fold. Do them and the industry a favor. US can't compete with any other airline and has the worst issues with capital and it's employees. Why fight this?
Flairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12620 times:
I tell you whats terrible about this...not only was it a sickout (ok, I can understand the anger, so at certain times, a sickout could work)...BUT it's the Christmas holiday season, your flights are full! Plus, your still recovering from the winter storms, so everyones tempers are very high.
I can only imagine that family going to PHX to visit their grandma for the first time and spend Christmas with them...they don't buy a tree, and go to the airport, get on the plane, only to be told they have to go home and try again tomorrow.
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12596 times:
Flairport-not really. I flew yesterday, and although my PBI-CLT flight was relatively close to full (after several cancellations out of PBI, including one to CLT and one to DCA), I can say that my CLT-LGA flight (a 319) was only about half-full, and many of those were Delta FIMs off of a series of cancelled CAE-LGA Comair flights (apparently every flight along the route has been cancelled since Thursday morning)
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Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12577 times:
Ok, to take a different perspective....not necessarily mine but we should give it a thought.....how about PASSENGERS showing the Xmas spirit and be willing to pay about $100 more for a ticket so that the airlines can pay a living wage to their employees??? Maybe even $50 a ticket would eliminate the need for pay and benefit cuts?
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12561 times:
How about this approach Bicoastal, airlines charging what they need to cover costs! No one ever said that they had to match the LCC's penny for penny! Also if the so called full service majors offer the exact same thing as a LCC's then why pay more for less.
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2249 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12532 times:
Let alone the impact to the customers this had the impact to fellow employee's was as bad if not worse. Remember the future hub in FLL? One agent doing bag service on xmas eve and over 500 bags on the floor with about 40-50 pax in line to file for missing bags....while the 'sick' employee's were home.
Ken4556 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12495 times:
"Ok, to take a different perspective....not necessarily mine but we should give it a thought.....how about PASSENGERS showing the Xmas spirit and be willing to pay about $100 more for a ticket so that the airlines can pay a living wage to their employees??? Maybe even $50 a ticket would eliminate the need for pay and benefit cuts?"
You bring-up a good point, but if the airlines are willing to sell tickets below cost, why is it the consumers responsiblity to pay more then the airline is asking? At some point, the airlines have to raise prices to cover costs. Just like any other company, if they cannot change what the market will bear, then they need to go out of business. I believe one or two airlines need to shut down to get capacity down in order to let prices raise for the airlines to cover costs.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12476 times:
Lets see....sell tickets(seats actually) just to cover costs...don't have to match the LLC. That's great except for one little thing. You are there to make a profit. You are there for investors....stockholders. If you stock is not a mover and you aren't making money, you dump the stock. Now where is any public corp going to be without stockholders? Extinct, that's where.
FUTUREFO..Please explain your post. Much on these threads are opinions.
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12363 times:
To continue the discussion, it seems that passengers are unwilling to pay more. The Internet has made comparison shopping so much easier and consumers are very price sensitive when buying airline tickets. So if an airline did decide to cover its costs with appropriate ticket prices, they'd likely be flying emptier aircraft and then having to charge even more to cover the costs of those empty seats. Look at the attempts to add a fuel surcharge, for example. Even a $5 or $10 difference seemed to turn passengers to lower priced competitors and the airlines that added the fee, then backed off.
I think the flying public neither cares nor is willing to show solidarity with the union folks at the airlines. Passengers are trying to stretch a buck, too, and need to make choices according to their own budgets.
RDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12311 times:
I had a friend traveling ILM-CLT-BDL on the 23rd. His CLT-BDL flt cxld due to what the agents told him was about a 200 flight attendant sick-out. He was re-routed to DCA, spent the night there...then had to fly DCA-PHL-BDL to finally get to BDL 20 hours later. Congratulations, he'll never fly USAir again.
Now I logon this morning and see a press release about how thousands of USAir pax are missing their bags and the FAA is to investigate. I guess the Ramp decided to join the sickout.
BlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12263 times:
what better way to draw attention to your plight than to do protest at peak travel. There are two sides to every story kids.
Managments job, if the airline is to survive, is to make cuts. Everywhere.
I think everyone understands that, and most workers have accepted that.
Obviously though, this simply highlights managment failure to align employee compensation to company results, etc etc.
Has managament taken a BIGGER % cut than the front line employees? It's not the dollar figure that's significant, it's the symbolism. Is the CEO on the front line talking to employees, showing how hard he's working for them?
Managment hasn't sold it's biggest asset, it's employees, on the plan they ALL need to follow to save the airline. Managment sets the tone in even the most dire circumstances. There is obvious failure here to do anything like that.
Aa717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12235 times:
Nothing happens in a vaccum. The seeds of this sickout were planted years ago.
Yes, the FA's have an agreement. A CBA is in place and a T/A to amend the CBA has been reached by the union leadership.
The agreement the FA's have been working under has been under attack by management. Management will use every tactic and loophole to get around the CBA as they see fit.
Right now, unionized airline employees have their backs to the wall. Management has figured a way to circumvent the Railway Labor Act via the bankruptcy courts. No, an airline will not be put into bankruptcy ONLY to void the contracts, but the CBA's are a target of opportunity once a carrier is in Ch. 11.
As a former union airline employee, I understand the USAir employee's frustration. There is no way to win. Management keeps pricing their tickets lower than they cost and labor won't simply sign away contracts won over decades of legitimate negotiations. The reason they won't simply adopt JetBlue's or SWA's workrules is that they don't trust management to squander their contributions.
The unions are warranted in that belief. They watched Schofield pi$$ away money on mergers. They watched Stephen "Don't call me Steve" Wolf and "Gang-rape" get rich with the UAL merger Trojan Horse and now, the employees are expected to pay for it.
It may be the wrong way to go about it but it is certainly understandable.TC
P.S.--If you are on this board and bought a ticket on USAir this Holiday season or allowed friends or family to do so without warning them, you are culpable, too. There were plenty of signs. JMO.
AAFLT1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12027 times:
"it seems that passengers are unwilling to pay more."
That is simply not the case, American has tried several times now to raise fares only to drop them back down when other legacy carriers do not follow. A fare hike straight across the board would help all airlines!! I would glady pay 20% more for the flights I have been taking to help the airlines stabilize themselves. If all airlines do it straight across the board, the penny pinching consumer will have no choice but to pay the increased fares.
As for US, with this latest sickout that was done yesterday, may they quickly go under. I will look forward to reading about their demise and the struggles the employees involved in yesterdays sickout have in finding another job. The fact is you are paid to do a job and you failed yesterday!! And do not think with the demise of US, that AA,DL,CO,UA and the others will jump at the chance to hire you as they will finally be able to bring their furloughed employees back.
F9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5631 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11997 times:
I saw the news, and PHL is a disaster right now. The news said that cancelled flights have left luggage everywhere. The picture shown was absolutely sad. The whole baggage claim was covered in every square inch of bags. They were piled in moutains too. They said it was a result of the weather problems. Any US Airways employees sure this was a result of a sickout? I seriously doubt it was, but then again it might have.
Greenguy01 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11986 times:
I was just watching MSNBC and they had on the news ticker that USAir is operation luggage only flights to CLT to get the misplaced luggage to the right destination. They are doing a FedEx style sort in CLT. What a mess!
If the employees of USAir really want their airline to survive, this is not a good way to do it. Think about all of the negative press that USAir is going to receive from this and all of the customers that they have potentially lost.
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you to their level and beat you with experience.
: From USaviation.com- "Just some claim numbers as of 10pm on Dec 24th. The first number is open claims and the second number is actual bags missing: TP
: Is there any REAL info here??? The original post mentioned 2 flights that cancelled yesterday. US operates around 2,300 flights a day, so 2 flights is
: On the one hand, I realize the fact that US employees want more pay, etc. But don't they see that these sickouts and such will be, overall, more detri
: What is the source of the "sickout" rumor? Is there a source? Or evidence?
: Supa7E7, Good point. I can only say what I saw here in MCO, however if there is positive news of a sick out, that would mean the Unions would be respo
: The source is the greater orlando aviation authority when they were told by US Airways representatives.
: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Hundreds of US Airways employees called in sick yesterday and today, according to a local flight attendants representative, a
: Well maybe they wanted to be home for the Holidays just like everyone else did. So they just called out. Airways is at minimum staffing for FAS and du
: Just found out from a US pilot that the sick action aka "Chaos Strike" whas actually approved by a judge; so apparently this is a legal work action.
: Well if that is the case then we should arrange a meeting with Patricia Friend at AFA and Charles Bryan...ex EAL IAM. They can compare notes....
: Flyibaby-You cannot tell me that they should be going on strike, or, if you will, performing CHAOS while they are in the process of VOTING ON A CONTRA
: SHUPirate1, Just the messenger dude. I personally don't think it should be legal, but they did warn of this as far back as Thanksgiving. Trust me, I'm
: Flyibaby-I'm not sticking up for them at all, and I also would bet the last dollar I have that this was organized "self-help", if you will. Fortunatel