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Does A Pilot Have To Be Clean-cut?  
User currently offlineDuke From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 13172 times:

The post is basically in the title - it interests me whether airline dress codes forbid long hair or male pilots or not, and whether they ever forbid beards.

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User currently offlineIntruderPC From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 13085 times:

I believe that the regs for facial hair are more lax in civil air than military, but I think all flight deck personnel have to be clean shaven so oxygen masks will fit snugly with a proper seal when in low air/oxy conditions. In the military, when I was an Intruder Plan Captain I know that the life support techs (AME in the Navy) check the pilots and their masks frequently to insure a proper seal. FAA has some regs for pilots flying in and into/outof USA but I don't know what they are.


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 13051 times:
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SAA have several pilots with beards so I guess there's no such regulation there.


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User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 13037 times:

There are no restrictions on facial hair in India and in most Asian airlines. I know a lot of Sikh pilots in Air India. They have beards and even wear a turban instead of a normal cap.

reg.,

Himmat



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 13010 times:
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Judging by the alarming popularity of bad mustaches among the US airline pilot population, one would think we're putting our lives in the hands of out-of-work porn stars every time we get on a flight.




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User currently offlineIntruderPC From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 13003 times:

Do any of you know what type of masks that the aircrew use if they have low level oxygen conditions? Do they ever encounter situations like that aboard ValuJet? When smoke and fire contributed to that A/C going down?


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User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 12973 times:

I'd imagine that most Airlines probably have an attire and appearance regulation.

I.E, no hair below the collar, well-groomed beard/moustache, etc.

It only exemplifies customer service. The nicer your employees look, the better chance *I* will fly on your airline.

1011yyz



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User currently offlineRh703 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 12951 times:

I have read discussions about this before. The argument that I have heard is that airlines try to enforce what they want appearance wise but from a safety angle. I dont' know for sure but I have read posts that O2 masks work just fine on air forces all over the middle east were people have beards, and that the airlines use the safety angle to enforce what they think people want their pilots to look like.

Personally, I don't equate a bad or large mustache with pornography. (maybe bad taste)

I also know that a pilots appearance usually has nothing to do with his/her flying ability. How many clean cut folks have flown into mountains, etc?


User currently offlineRaivavae From France, joined Jul 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 12913 times:

you do the way you want, but you must be able to place your mask with one hand in less than 5 seconds.

User currently offlineType-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 12877 times:

I have a freind who just hired on with American Eagle a few months ago and he said the last half of the first day of training was going over grooming standards. How your hair should be cut, etc.

User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 12823 times:

men should have short hair-beards are awful get rid of it if you have one. ew! gross!!!!!

User currently offline747NUT From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 12788 times:

The only wording I have seen on oxygen masks is that it goes something on the lines of "Beards/facial hair will not seal properly" I will check later when I am at work.
It's more just a warning from the mask vendor than a regulation from the airlines



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User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 12779 times:

In the US, only a mustache. I have also heard the safety/O2 reasoning. Perhaps that is why in the grooming standards for US carriers beards are not allowed.

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 12741 times:

Oh yeah. Would love to see Snoop Dog as captain, and Ozzie Osbourn as First Officer!!! Throw in a few nose rings, and tattoos!!

I think a professional clean cut appearance is important. It reflects the look of the airline, and certainly a non clean cut experience would make a fearful flyer more fearful!



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12557 times:

i disagree, many Muslims and sihks need to wear a beard for religious reasons..and they do..it's more imortant they look well groomed and be well mannered

should they be dicrminated against because of religious reasons? I think not!



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User currently offlineBistro1200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12112 times:

Should they be dicrminated [sic] against because of religious reasons? I think not!
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It isn't for religious reasons! It is for safety reasons. The O2 mask needs a tight seal to work properly. You are talking about commercial airline pilots with hundreds of people on board. In the event of a decompression, they need to be able to don the mask in 5 seconds, one handed. A beard would prevent a tight seal, possibly leading to hypoxia and a pilot slumped over in the cockpit.

Please, let's not go looking for discrimination where none exists.



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User currently offlineYorkshireflyer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12106 times:

Concorde Pilot Adrian Thompson sported a neat beard when he piloted Alpha Golf to Man on the farewell tour last year.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11833 times:

"Please, let's not go looking for discrimination where none exists."..it was just a comment...there was no insinuation whatsoever


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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11542 times:

IntruderPC:
The Oxygen masks for pilots look like the ones on fighter jets. They cover most of the face, chin (ex. above the eyes). Essentially they look like this:
http://www.flighthelmet.com/pages/fg/fgphotos/ox-mbu14v1p_1a.jpg

Hope this helps

///Justin


User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11407 times:

AFAIK the regulation at LH is that beards are allowed. They have regulations like "No hair below the collar, well-groomed beard/moustache"...that means they are allowed to wear beards, but they have to look representative.
Regarding the oxygen mask I can say that they are not affected by any kind of hair in the face. The mask is to provide oxygen to the lungs of the pilot, and it does provide enough even if there is a little undensetiy(?/my English is not that advanced). I was a first aid in the German army and got some licenses to operate oxygen machines, so I know it doesn`t have to be totally closed. The pilot only has to get enough oxygen to continue the emergency descend...


User currently offlineSoaringadi From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11124 times:

Usually the rule is "no/or well groomed facial hair, and any length head hair."

Most pilots seem to have a conservative clean cut and a clean shave.

But long hair and stylish facial hair have come into the picture since a couple of years ago. But this was not the case in the past decades.

l/ out...

 Smile



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User currently offlineJadedmonkeys From United States of America, joined May 2004, 67 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

depends on the mask. and altitude. the diluter kind of oxygen systems can be used up to around 25,000 and it allows you to breathe in some cabin air if available (usually for general aviation). above 25,000 pilots need to use the quick donning pressure dependent masks which requires a tighter seal around the face since above 25,000 if you get a rapid or explosive decompression, you won't really have any available oxygen in the cabin at that altitude. Now as far as the beard or not debate. I don't know.

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10866 times:

I dont see a problem with a well trimmed beard. As long as it was professional appearing, and well maintained. I just could not imagine ZZ TOP in the cockpit!


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User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10499 times:

Well AFAIK, at US airlines anyways, hair can't be below the collars, no lamb-chop side burns (nothing below the earlobe), and hair length is fine as long as it is presentable and not wild. Long hair would be fine slicked back. I've seen pilots with long hair slicked back before. If clean-cut means being clean and presentable, then yeah you have to be clean cut. I hate facial hair so I never miss a day of shaving, so I'm not too concerned..



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User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10403 times:

I saw a KLM pilot with a handlebar moustache and a trimmed beard. Looked kind of...like something from an old movie actually. I also have seen a Northwest flight attendant on several flights (the same person) who has a trimmed beard. And that was a male flight attendant. Of course you know that some of the female Northwest attendants would actually IMPROVE with beards...


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25 Unitedkatw : Per UPS (United Parcel Service of America) policy that all employees of UPS must be clean-shaved, with the exception of a well trimmed mustache. I wou
26 Lamedianaranja : A female F/A I know from Martinair would get facial waxing paid by the company. They are complete contol freaks when it comes to appearance.
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