IntruderPC From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10453 times:
I believe that the regs for facial hair are more lax in civil air than military, but I think all flight deck personnel have to be clean shaven so oxygen masks will fit snugly with a proper seal when in low air/oxy conditions. In the military, when I was an Intruder Plan Captain I know that the life support techs (AME in the Navy) check the pilots and their masks frequently to insure a proper seal. FAA has some regs for pilots flying in and into/outof USA but I don't know what they are.
IntruderPC From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10371 times:
Do any of you know what type of masks that the aircrew use if they have low level oxygen conditions? Do they ever encounter situations like that aboard ValuJet? When smoke and fire contributed to that A/C going down?
Rh703 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 10319 times:
I have read discussions about this before. The argument that I have heard is that airlines try to enforce what they want appearance wise but from a safety angle. I dont' know for sure but I have read posts that O2 masks work just fine on air forces all over the middle east were people have beards, and that the airlines use the safety angle to enforce what they think people want their pilots to look like.
Personally, I don't equate a bad or large mustache with pornography. (maybe bad taste)
I also know that a pilots appearance usually has nothing to do with his/her flying ability. How many clean cut folks have flown into mountains, etc?
747NUT From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 78 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10156 times:
The only wording I have seen on oxygen masks is that it goes something on the lines of "Beards/facial hair will not seal properly" I will check later when I am at work.
It's more just a warning from the mask vendor than a regulation from the airlines
Bistro1200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 337 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9480 times:
Should they be dicrminated [sic] against because of religious reasons? I think not!
It isn't for religious reasons! It is for safety reasons. The O2 mask needs a tight seal to work properly. You are talking about commercial airline pilots with hundreds of people on board. In the event of a decompression, they need to be able to don the mask in 5 seconds, one handed. A beard would prevent a tight seal, possibly leading to hypoxia and a pilot slumped over in the cockpit.
Please, let's not go looking for discrimination where none exists.
Measure to the millimeter, mark with a crayon, cut with an axe.
Hirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 584 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8775 times:
AFAIK the regulation at LH is that beards are allowed. They have regulations like "No hair below the collar, well-groomed beard/moustache"...that means they are allowed to wear beards, but they have to look representative.
Regarding the oxygen mask I can say that they are not affected by any kind of hair in the face. The mask is to provide oxygen to the lungs of the pilot, and it does provide enough even if there is a little undensetiy(?/my English is not that advanced). I was a first aid in the German army and got some licenses to operate oxygen machines, so I know it doesn`t have to be totally closed. The pilot only has to get enough oxygen to continue the emergency descend...
Jadedmonkeys From United States of America, joined May 2004, 67 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8304 times:
depends on the mask. and altitude. the diluter kind of oxygen systems can be used up to around 25,000 and it allows you to breathe in some cabin air if available (usually for general aviation). above 25,000 pilots need to use the quick donning pressure dependent masks which requires a tighter seal around the face since above 25,000 if you get a rapid or explosive decompression, you won't really have any available oxygen in the cabin at that altitude. Now as far as the beard or not debate. I don't know.
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7867 times:
Well AFAIK, at US airlines anyways, hair can't be below the collars, no lamb-chop side burns (nothing below the earlobe), and hair length is fine as long as it is presentable and not wild. Long hair would be fine slicked back. I've seen pilots with long hair slicked back before. If clean-cut means being clean and presentable, then yeah you have to be clean cut. I hate facial hair so I never miss a day of shaving, so I'm not too concerned..
Cessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 746 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7771 times:
I saw a KLM pilot with a handlebar moustache and a trimmed beard. Looked kind of...like something from an old movie actually. I also have seen a Northwest flight attendant on several flights (the same person) who has a trimmed beard. And that was a male flight attendant. Of course you know that some of the female Northwest attendants would actually IMPROVE with beards...
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25 Unitedkatw: Per UPS (United Parcel Service of America) policy that all employees of UPS must be clean-shaved, with the exception of a well trimmed mustache. I wou
26 Lamedianaranja: A female F/A I know from Martinair would get facial waxing paid by the company. They are complete contol freaks when it comes to appearance.