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User currently offlineJunior1970 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Whatever happened to the KLM services to Nagoya and Sapporo in Japan ? Why were they cancelled ?
If my memory serves me right, these services didn't seem to last long. (Both no longer then 2 summers ?????).

KLM decided to focus on 2 big hubs, Tokyo and Osaka ?




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User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

Junior 1970,

I know KLM was doing pretty well on the AMS-CTS-NGO flights, but since yields were low the first downsized the 747-400 to a MD11.
I think I read somewhere that KLM was only granted NGO rights if they served BOTH CTS and NGO and in the end that was NOT attractive.

They pulled out the 4 times weekly flight and decided to use the jets on more profitable routes.

KIX sees a daily 747-400 (mix of both -combi and -full pax) and so does NRT, where KLM flies a mix of 777s and 747s.
Since AF doens't fly to NGO either, maybe someday they will return.... Who can tell!


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

It was pretty cool seeing a European carrier in CTS. NGO used to have fairly extensive European service, with BA, AF, KL, and LH. Lufthansa still operates to Frankfurt, and I think JAL might still fly to London.

I think it's quite possible we'll see one or two European carriers back to Nagoya once the new airport opens.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

KIX is really working out for KLM. Also KLM makes a lot of money on the Combined Cargo Flights to KIX/NRT, Most of the time with very expensive Cargo

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2910 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Firstly, current NGO only has a 2,740m runway which limits payload on those long trans-Siberian routes. CTS has a cooler climate and a 3,000m runway which allows a better payload capability, hence the routing via CTS.

Initially, the AMS-NGO was twice-weekly with 744/74E but increased to four-weekly M11 before being cancelled Jan. 2002.

With the new Centrair opening, KLM may return.


User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

I'm still optimistic about NGO!!

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