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Airtran Adding Frequency To DFW-MCO  
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Not earth shattering news here, but I thought it was interesting in light of the MDW nonstops being dropped. I was checking on expedia and it seems that in Feb. DFW-MCO nonstop goes to twice daily. I wouldn't be surprised if there were others.

MCO seems to be turning into a defacto mini hub or at least focus city.

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User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

FL needs to solidify itself @ DFW in light of the failure to secure ATA's Midway operation. I would guess this is just the first as many such additions in frequency.



User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

FL has always had something with MCO...after all, they are based on their own street in Orlando...it's always been a mini hub for them...now, if they would get the balls to go after WN on FLL-MCO!

BTW, they will/are fly/ing MCO-MDW.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

I have to believe that they have something in mind somewhere. They have 19 aircraft on the way next year, and that probably means more than just connect the dots here and there. When they announced the MDW deal, they mentioned getting away from relying only on ATL. I don't think that idea has changed, but who knows where. If USAir goes away, they'll have more opportunity than aircraft. Otherwise, DFW seems like a good bet. If they were not worried about competing with WN, how much worse could AA be?

User currently offlineAirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

They have also added frequency to ATL. They are up to 7 nonstops daily.

AirStatDFW


User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

It would be nice payback to WN if FL makes DFW the second hub right
in their own backyard, before the Wright Amendment is repealed.



72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

I know that when FL moved to their new gates, they subleased a couple back to eagle, I believe. If they do try some type of build up, I wonder if they will go to the former Delta area.

User currently offlineAirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

If they moved to Term E they would have to do some major remodel work the terminal looks like its in the 80's. Who knows you would have 21 gates to choose from in Term E. They only have 4 in Term B right now and they sublease 2 to AE throughout the day. They use all of their gates at night when they have their RON and around 3pm-5pm they some times use 3 depending on if a flight is late or not.

AirStatDFW


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

DFW may be willing to make some serious concessions for anyone willing to fill the old Delta terminal. Could be alot better in the end rather than paying ATA $90 mil for their gates and Dallas o/d traffic is nothing to sneeze at compared to Chicago with less airlines hubbing there.

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Sounds like they're filling a gap left by DL's imminent pullout of the daily 2x 757 and 1x M90 run....I've seen alot more metal on this route before even. DL is just handing this market away to whoever wants it.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

I'd say you are right about that. AA will no doubt pick up some of the old DL traffic, but I'm guessing that many DL passengers were looking for an AA alternative. The same could be said for LAS, LAX, SFO, MCI and others.

User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Delta would likely be happy to help Air Tran set up shop in DFW in order to relieve some of the pressure on them @ ATL coming from FL. I haven't followed the Delta/DFW thing that closely other than to know Delta is shutting down the hub- have they negotiated an out to gate leases and the terminal? Could they sell directly to Air Tran or not?

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

Everything that I've read in the media, leads me to believe that they are out of these leases, but I'm not sure. I know DL will only be flying to it's 3 main hubs going forward.

User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

I noticed that FNT, JAX, and RDU are picking up frequencies. I just looked in March, but all 3 cities showed 5 dailies as opposed to the 4 they are flying now.

~Ryan


User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

I think we could see DL and FL sharing term E...3 gates for DL and the rest for FL. will DL keep the crown room club for their loyal DFW following?

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

"I think we could see DL and FL sharing term E...3 gates for DL and the rest for FL. will DL keep the crown room club for their loyal DFW following? "

Have you heard something? Did DL have a separate terminal for the RJs (terminal E)?



User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

I noticed that FNT, JAX, and RDU are picking up frequencies. I just looked in March, but all 3 cities showed 5 dailies as opposed to the 4 they are flying now.

RDU had 5 frequencies. It was losing one if FL was moving to MDW. Since they are not, they are just putting it back in the system and maintain the 5 dailies we currently have.



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

ERJ170,
RDU is still losing one frequency effective Jan 13 despite us not getting
MDW. We are losing a mid afternoon flight and our last flight out of ATL
will leave at 2115 instead of 2255 now.



72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6788 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

So we are moving from 5 to 4? is this permanent? 717-200.. does FL plan on adding any more destinations from RDU at anytime? And has FL moved their baggage claim from the main claim in Terminal A to the Extension baggage area?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

ERJ170, At this time AirTran has no plans to add any more destinations from
RDU. Even if USAirways bites the dust soon I would be surprised if FL added
any other destinations. The best place in my humble opinion for FL to add
another destination to out of RDU would be DFW. Our bag claim has been
at Terminal A Extension for several years now.



72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

I wish they would check into those CLT nonstops to Florida. Absolutely no low fare competition nonstop. Purely a USAir monopoly.
It would be like shooting a duck on the water.


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

MCO seems to be turning into a defacto mini hub or at least focus city.

MCO has been a mini-hub ever since the two airlines merged to create the current AirTran Airways.



Once again I ask, if US goes under, might we see an FL mini-hub started at MCI with those five USAirways gates in terminal A?

Once again, I respond to my own statement with: Only in my wet dreams.



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

"Once again I ask, if US goes under, might we see an FL mini-hub started at MCI with those five USAirways gates in terminal A?"

I can't see it happening. WN has the lions share of traffic there (although MDW is the same way). There just isn't enough traffic or population to justify the flights beyond the ones already there. I'm amazed that USAir has 5 gates. Most of the USAir flights at MCI are actually props by a small feeder going to small citys in KS.


User currently offlineAirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

will DL keep the crown room club for their loyal DFW following?

DL had 3 Crown room clubs at DFW they will close all but one.

Have you heard something? Did DL have a separate terminal for the RJs (terminal E)?

DL used gates E19-E34 with E22-E30 being in the satellite terminal, for the Delta Connection service or I should say RJ city.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

http://www.dfwairport.com/terminals/terminal-e.php

FL has a couple of options for gates at DFW. One they are not using all of their gates now. They could pick up 2 more gates in Term B right now B35 and B39 which would give them 6 gates. Those gates are a little far from their current gates though. If US goes under and pulls service that would be an additional 3 gates for a total of 9, in Term B. They can also move back over to Term E which needs a major REMODEL and choose from 21 empty gates, but some of those gates would be in the satellite terminal.
I heard a rumor that they might want to fly to some INTL' destinations out of DFW- southward. They might be able to get a gate in the new Term D or share one at least.

AirStatDFW


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

It's been 5 years since I last connected in DFW on DL. E wasn't the flashiest terminal, but I've seen worse (STL, LGA, ATL C concourse). Is E really that bad or is it just carpet and paint bad? In any event, DFW would probably pay for the biggest end of any repairs if they had a tenant.

25 TJZSChief : Good for passengers bad for us fuelers at MCO. Means more flights lol...
26 Quickmover : "Good for passengers bad for us fuelers at MCO. Means more flights lol... " Do you have enough gates down there?
27 Nisson : Info in terminal E at DFW (was there last week) is that they have mostly remodeled the concourse where the skylink trains will stop(two station stops)
28 Kkfla737 : The FL history with MCO is somewhat complicated. Before the Air Tran/Value Jet merger, FL was an exclusive Orlando carrier, providing service to many
29 Kkfla737 : "I should say RJ city. " LOL! DL really seized having a hub at DFW years ago, and it has now simply been a hub where ASA passengers can connect to Sky
30 Quickmover : Regarding MCO, didn't FL give up some of their new gates to WN right after 9/11? The last time I was there, things seemed to be getting a little cramp
31 Rumorboy : I think Airtran has a total of 5 gates now in MCO. They just added gate 110 not to long ago.
32 Quickmover : "I think Airtran has a total of 5 gates now in MCO. They just added gate 110 not to long ago. " Was gate 110 an old National gate? I thought that the
33 Gr8SlvrFlt : Was gate 110 an old National gate? I thought that the airside was full. Gate 110 was formerly used by Spirit. Spirit moved to old US Airways gates, I
34 N839mh : The latest on Delta's Terminal E and the BIG airline shuffle to take place at DFW. Delta will close its Ticket Counter located near E33 entrance (Gate
35 Akjetblue : AirTran in Orlando just got Gate 110 about two months ago. After Spirit relocated to Airside 3 (with NW, UA, US, & DH), Airside 2 was left with two op
36 Quickmover : "AirTran in Orlando just got Gate 110 about two months ago. After Spirit relocated to Airside 3 (with NW, UA, US, & DH), Airside 2 was left with two o
37 Akjetblue : It seems that all the empty gates which were once used by US have been taken by DH and NK. Airside 3 which had been empty at one point is springing b
38 AirStatDFW : The latest on Delta's Terminal E and the BIG airline shuffle to take place at DFW. Delta will close its Ticket Counter located near E33 entrance (Gat
39 727LOVER : Airtran is also increasing ATL-SRQ.
40 Womack17 : "ERJ170, At this time AirTran has no plans to add any more destinations from RDU. Even if USAirways bites the dust soon I would be surprised if FL add
41 717-200 : Womack17, The difference between RDU and Newport News(PHF) is that at PHF there is really no competition aside from ASA and USX. I believe PHF has som
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