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Aircraft Used To Catch Speeders In Alabama?  
User currently offlineCLT18R From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

I was driving back to CLT from BHM (Wife's family lives there) and noticed some interesting signs on Interstate 20 outside of Birmingham. The first one I saw simply said "Aircraft Used." Huh? I was like...what is this? The highway is used as an emergency landing strip or something?  Smile

I assumed it meant that aircraft were used in traffic enforcement and this was later confirmed when I saw another sign saying pretty much exactly that.

What type of aircraft are used and what type of enforcing duties are they used for? Catching speeders? Do they have radar speed detection equipment on them?

I am just glad I decided to drive at the last minute instead of flying CLT-ATL-BHM. I would not have liked being in an airport last weekend.

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User currently offlineCLEwatcher From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 244 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5129 times:

I dont think they have speed detection equipment on board, they use math.
I read that there are white lines painted on the side of the road, spaced every half mile or mile, if a car goes past them in a certain time, then they may be speeding.



-Raymond
User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

It's a fairly common practice, though most folks caught never see the aircraft.
Pilot and/or observer uses a stopwatch to time a vehicles travel between 2 known points on the ground. The points are commonly white lines painted across the shoulder, but could be anything. If they catch someone over the limit they just radio a cruiser on the ground.

A couple of months ago a speeding motorcycle made the news when he was caught at something absurd like 200+ MPH by an aircraft in Minnesota.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5091 times:
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I have a DVD called "On Any Sunday" and in it there are old newsreel clips of motorcycle related incidents, one is about planes being used to catch speeding motorcycles....the narrator says "the only problem is that the plane must be within 2 feet of the motorcycle..." LOL


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5086 times:

They have been using aircraft around the country for 30+ years to monitor speed. Its very simple math.. 60 MPH is a mile a minute. They just mark off two fixed points and stop watch you. Anything more then the standard number is speeding. I guess to figure you exact speed, they caculate it out...or just use a speed watch. Most states use Cessna 172's or something like that.


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User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5080 times:




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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5060 times:

I believe they are using helicopters in Louisiana--a friend of mine got popped by aerial enforcement on the I-10 bridge between Lafayette and Baton Rouge.


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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2224 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5016 times:
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I don't know of a state where this ISN'T done. It's especially common in the wide open spaces of the west. If you keep your eyes open you can see the markings after you see the sign you mentioned.


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

The CHP in California use a fleet of (primarily) fixed-wing aircraft for enforce the speed limit on many stretches of freeway/highway -- all ID with "Speed Enforced by Aircraft" signs along the way (CalTrans ID R48-2, if you really care, Page 11 of http://www.dot.ca.gov/hq/traffops/signtech/mutcdsupp/pdf/CA-Chap2B.pdf)

It's interesting that the markings-on-the-side-of-the-road idea would seem to be illegal in California:

From the California Vehicle Code (CVC)
40801. No peace officer or other person shall use a speed trap in arresting, or participating or assisting in the arrest of, any person for any alleged violation of this code nor shall any speed trap be used in securing evidence as to the speed of any vehicle for the purpose of an arrest or prosecution under this code.

40802. (a) A "speed trap" is either of the following:
(1) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.


Lincoln





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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

a friend of mine got popped by aerial enforcement on the I-10 bridge between Lafayette and Baton Rouge.

The Atchafalaya Bridge is a notorious speed trap. The Louisiana State Police love that section of I-10.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Lincoln,

Try reading that again. The cops can't use the markings to arrest or prosecute. Doesn't mean they can't give someone a ticket on that basis.

regards


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4894 times:
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A couple of months ago a speeding motorcycle made the news when he was caught at something absurd like 200+ MPH by an aircraft in Minnesota.


Not that it makes any difference, really, but the 200+ mph speed was positively disproven by a motorcycle magazine a month or two ago. They tested the guy's bike on a dyno, ran performance numbers, etc, and determined that it could only ever achieve ~160 or so downhill with a tailwind. I forget the exact top speed of the bike, but it was significantly less than 200 mph.


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

SATL382G -

I could very well be wrong (because, thankfully, I've never gotten a ticket--or even been pulled over so I've never researched it), but it is my understanding that in CA if you choose to contest a ticket it is then "prosecuted" as any other infraction. Thus, assuming I am not incorrect, while a ticket could be issued if the driver chose to contest the ticket, the use of a "speed trap" would be enough to have the ticket dismissed:

Plus there's

40804. (a) In any prosecution under this code upon a charge involving the speed of a vehicle, any officer or other person shall be incompetent as a witness if the testimony is based upon or obtained from or by the maintenance or use of a speed trap.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

I have seen the chart the Toledo cops used in one of the aircraft they flew...they used times=speed. They then radio down to street cops saying their approximate speed to the cops on the road...and they then radar the speeder from there and pull them over.

XJR



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User currently offlineORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

They then radio down to street cops saying their approximate speed to the cops on the road...and they then radar the speeder from there and pull them over
That's how they do it around here too sometimes on rural Illinois interstates. Its a double check...first from the air then by radar. You can sometimes see a lineup of like 5 or 6 police cars at a rest stop or on-ramp waiting to be radio-ed into action. Best to slow down if you come across this  Big grin


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4799 times:

Yeah, we have them down in Florida too, and I can personally attest to them. I've been busted by airplane twice. First time was the SR 524 at I-95 exit in Cocoa on a Labor Day. Second time was at the SR 44 at I-4 exit in Deland on the way to work.

Both times it was an aircraft (Cessna 172) circling one side of the overpass and 4 to 5 State Trooper cars lined up on the on ramp on the other side of the exit. The plane radios down a speed and description of the vehicle (green caravaan, inside lane e.g.) and as you cross the overpass, one of the troopers hops on the interstate behind you. The cop tells you that you have been clocked at such and such a speed by an aircraft.

I've watched them in action a few times other than that, and listened to them on the scanner at least once. Traveling the state for job I've seen them in Niceville (I-10 and SR 85), Tallahasse (I-10 near US 27), the Sarasota causeway on I-75 and the 528 and I-95 exit in Titusville.

Every time I've seen them its been a C 172, usually with State Trooper painted under the wings, one word one each side.

[Edited 2004-12-29 02:26:00]


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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

They do it in NY . There are white stripes across the x-way every 1/4 mile . Never actually seen them do it,though.


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

Is this a great country or what? Using an aircraft, avgas and repairs, a fully trained and paid pilot, an observer, and a unit on the ground to issue that ticket.

User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

When I was at the Dayton Air Show in 2003, the Ohio Highway Patrol had a really cool looking C-182 on display. The sign said they use aircraft to catch speeders on every major highway in Ohio.


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User currently offline10MID From Singapore, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Once spoke with a CHP pilot and he said speeding enforecment is really low down on their list of things to do.

User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

Some states here use this aircraft (link below) not just for highway patrol but for border, coastal waters and forest patrol also. They say it costs them less than a tenth of what a helicopter would while still being able to do most of the jobs the latter can. Apparently they have been using these since 1990 and have had a great deal of success.

http://www.aeromot.com.br/english/index.php?sessao=aeronaves#200S

Happy New Year!

PPVRA



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4686 times:

Once spoke with a CHP pilot and he said speeding enforecment is really low down on their list of things to do.

You referring to the California Highway Patrol?

If you actually believe that, then I have two 110 story buildings in New York I'd like to sell you.

Don't even TRY to tell me that there isn't a connection between the California "budget crisis" and the meteoric rise in the number of unmarked/low key (meaning no light bar) CHP cars here in the state.


User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

My first speeding ticket was by aircraft enforcement.

Not very "sporting" if you ask me.



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User currently offlineFsuwxman From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 439 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

Talking from experience, I have been popped for speeding more times then I can count, I can tell you they use a 172 down in Florida.

Places in FL to watch out for aerial patrol...

1. Don Shula Expressway between 88th Street and Killean Parkway exits...
2. I-595 in Fort Lauderdale, closer to the intersection with I-75.
3. I-95 in Brevard
4. SR-44 between DeLand and New Smyrna Beach
5. I-75 in Columbia County (Lake City)
6. I-10 in Baker County
7. I-10 in Columbia County
8. I-10 in Madison County
9. I-10 in Leon County, near US-90
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This is where I have observed them... I always look up now, and if I see a lower flying aircraft along the interstate, guess what back down to 75 mph for me... I have been ticket free for 2 years now.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 days ago) and read 4540 times:

Many agencies use helicopters because of the ability to hover over an area in which to do enforcement. I actually had no idea that many state and county mounties did it until about 10 years ago when I was in court on an ticket for a wreck I was in. The guy in the case before me was trying to contest the method the police use to measure speed from the air. His lawyer was trying to say that the method was flawed and therefore the ticket should be tossed. When that didn't work, they then tried to say that the speedometer on the car wasn't working correctly. I learned a lesson there listening to that case.

25 Moman : Florida does use C172 aircraft to catch speeders along I-4 east of Tampa. Been flying a few times and heard them on the radio. I think they look for c
26 Pgh234 : A few years ago heading northbound on I-75 just before the interchange with I-4, my dad was nailed by a helicopter. We went over the crest of a small
27 Post contains images 777ER : Do the helicopters or planes have flashing lights and sirens on them
28 Copter808 : Some of them have sirens (siren,Public Address,radio external speaker) but I know of none with any flashing lights other than normal aircraft lighting
29 Post contains images Fsuwxman : Funny thing... After I replied to this post last week, I went walking over to Flightline here in TLH, and lo and behold, there was the trooper, gettin
30 TransPac : Seems this is becoming fairly common. They do it up here in Washington as well. I was busted by an airplane about 4 years ago on I-5 between Portland
31 Post contains images CainanUK : A couple of months ago a speeding motorcycle made the news when he was caught at something absurd like 200+ MPH by an aircraft in Minnesota. Not that
32 TOLtommy : XJRamper - TOL Police usually run the sting on 75 between Ottawa River Road and the MI Line. Usually you can see the little Cessna making counter-cloc
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