Argentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 372 posts, RR: 12 Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1986 times:
Hi all, and speacilly "amigos de Venezuela":
I would like to know what is the present status of international routes assigned to Venezuela's airlines.
I can remember that Caracas-Buenos Aires was authorised to Aserca Airlines a long time ago, and I think they are only flying since a long time only domestic routes and their internatinal destinations are only Curacao, Aruba and Santo Domingo.
Is there in Venezuela any penalty for those ailrines not using for a long period of time the assigned routes? Can Conviasa ask for routes not used by other Venezuelan carriers? Here in Argentina, as usual, there is a period of 180 days to start any assigned route. If not started, route becomes unassigned again.
Can anyone tell me which international routes belong ti which airlines in Venezuela?
Civilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1852 times:
OK Argentina, here we go...
All Andean Pact countries have multiple designated carriers as well as 5th Freedom Rights, thus any Venezuelan or Colombian carrier, for instance, can operate services to any point within those countries and continue on to Ecuador, Peru and Bolivia.
Brazil and Argentina:Aserca
Chile: Aeropostal (VH)
Mexico and Central America including Panama: Avensa (nominally, that is, as the airline is defunct)
USA:Aeropostal, Avensa, Servivensa, Aserca and Sta. Barbara airlines (multiple designation applies but subject to Venezuela's current Cat II status)
Canada: no designated carrier
Spain: multiple designation (VE, S3, VH)
Italy and Portugal: VE, with rights currently transferred de facto to S3
UK, Denmark, France, Switzerland and Germany: VH
Caribbean: multiple designation
Venezuela has 5th Freedom rights agreements with Andean Pact countries, Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina, Chile and Paraguay in addition to the Dominican Republic.
Many routes need to be reallocated as airlines have proved unwilling to commence services (particularly to Europe) and the method of awarding them in 1998 by the then Venezuelan Government left a lot to be desired to say the least.
Luisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2522 posts, RR: 32 Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1769 times:
Another question: why is it that airlines such as Aserca, seem not to be interested in routes they have been assigned lon ago, i.e. Brazil and Argentina?
After the Air Aruba fiasco, Aserca almost went bankrupt. So they are practically trying to survive flying domestically and to AUA, CUR (1month old route), SDQ and PUJ(charters) with their old DC9-30s. They dont have the a/c needed to fly down south to Brazil and Argentina. I think the farther south they could get would be Manaus, but If im not mistaken VH was the one flying the route until it got slashed a couple of years ago. So now I also have a question... if Aserca is the one designated to fly to Brazil, why was VH allowed to fly to MAO?
Civilav From Mexico, joined Oct 2004, 391 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1762 times:
The answer to that riddle is:
Manaos is treated as special economic zone by the Brazilian government and Aeropostal got perimission to fly the route only to feed traffic to Margarita.. or that was the original request at any rate. Please remember that there is a treaty signed in 1994 between the governments of Caldera in Venezuela and Itamar Franco in Brazil to aid and foster development along the Amazonian border.
The route was nowhere near as profitable as once thought and hence its abandonment.