JoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2213 posts, RR: 9 Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6087 times:
With the freak snowfalls in the northern United Arab Emirates over the past two days, my question is whether airports such as Dubai and Abu Dhabi are capable and would be able to respond to below-the-freezing temperatures (de-icing), even snow accumulation within the airport perimeter, if it was ever to happen.
Heck it seems that anything is possible these days, even snow in Arabia
Cold snap brings Gulf rare snow
Snow has fallen in the United Arab Emirates for the first time in years, shocking residents of a desert country better known for its 50C summer heat.
Meteorologists reported heavy snowfall on the mountains of Ras al Khaimah, the federation's most northerly Emirate, as a cold snap gripped the region.
Many people told local media it was the first snowfall there in living memory.
"This is certainly a rare occurrence that happens every 20 to 30 years," a forecaster told Reuters news agency.
Prayers for rain
Local newspapers said people were stunned by the white blanket of snow in the Al-Jees mountain cluster.
The range "had heavy night-time snowfall for the past two days as a result of temperatures dropping to as low as -5C [23F]", according to the Gulf News.
Sheikh Saud Bin Saqr Al Qasimi, crown prince and deputy ruler of Ras al Khaimah, visited the mountains to see the snow and brought some back to show people, the paper said.
Temperatures in Dubai, which attracts large numbers of tourists seeking winter sun, dipped as low as 12C (53.6F) on Wednesday night. In summer they can top 50C (122F).
Heavy rain led to hundreds of accidents on the roads on Monday, Dubai's police said, because drivers were unaccustomed to the conditions.
Forecasters said the region's chilly spell would probably end by next week, AFP news agency reports.
Only a month ago, UAE President Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan and other sheikhs led Muslims across the Emirates in prayers for rain.
Demand for water has far outstripped supply in the UAE in recent years, with rainfall well below the seasonal average.
Antares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 40 Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5621 times:
It snows somewhere in the UAE about once every five years. These falls were not as low as the one that happened in the 90s and also in Saudi Arabia.
A friend says he was on an adventure trip in Libya some years ago (when it must have been quite an adventure) with an Australian called Warwick Deacock and it snowed in the interior. Apparently again not common but not all that rare either.
I live in the Victorian highlands and we had a trace of snow on the ground after Christmas, and it is the height of the Aussie summer and when I was a kid sailing past what was Dutch New guinea in those days on my Dad's freighter (he was a marine engineer) he showed me the equatorial snows around Catstenz Pyramid one morning and you could see quite a bit more detail with binoculars. Was rare for the clouds to lift.
A Qantas pilot who was a friend of the family after the war told us that you often used to glimpse fresh snow on the highest peaks of PNG if you hauled a DC-3 over the inland, which was apparently a real struggle, since you had to get to 15,000 feet and then navigate very carefully to make it to Lae or Madang, I can't remember which.
Antares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 40 Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5356 times:
Good point about global warming. Where I live most of the year the last five ski seasons back to back have been the most consistently good ever recorded in Australia.
But I got corrected very politely about whether this meant global warming was wrong by one of our neighbours, who works in the CSIRO Atmospheric Research division. He says the global warming sloganeering is way toooo simplistic. The models for Australia also predicted discrete cooling in the eastern half of the country which is what we have observed based on highest temperature data since around 1994. And the freezing level in winter has generally come down a little, again predicted for eastern Australia.
What global warming looks like doing is putting a lot of extra energy into the weather systems, so we will get more extreme weather, and the underlying trend will always be warmer on a world scale until we at least fix the man-made inputs.
The 'freak' cold events will stand out because they will increasingly be seen as unusual.
Ts-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3318 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5285 times:
In Tunisia it snows almost every year mainly in the mountainous north and south western region where the airports of Tabarka and Gafsa are situated and i don't think that de-icing devices are available.
In Tunis we are experiecing a cloudy, windy and freezing weather...don't cancel your vacations anyway...
Antares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 40 Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5139 times:
It didn't snow in Sydney last August. The temperature never fell below 16 C. it hailed. A lot. People snowboarded on it and it dented a few jets, although not as many as the moster hail storm of April 99.
The only snowfall ever recorded at Observatory Hill, the actual site of the Sydney Weather Bureau, was on June 28, 1836, and no, I do not have a clear recollection of the event!
This was reported as a drifting snow fall down to the tide line but melted away by 11 am in freezing rain.
In 1964, 1965 and 1983 snow was reported from some Sydney suburbs, mainly the higher ones, and in the sixties it was observed to settle on the ground briefly in the upper North Shore, and fell so heavily on Mangrove Mountain overlooking Gosford the chicken sheds were collapsed.
There were also a few fairly convincting reports in 1951 and 1952. I remember the cold outbreak in 1951 when we had snow on the ground two days in a row in parts of Melbourne.
But the great snows of the 60s seem hard to imagine these days, good ski seasons notwithstanding. In the mid 60s Mt Whilhelm and Guillewe were often snow capped in PNG, rarely today. And most of the glaciers of West Papua as it is now called have vanished, having formed during the Little Ice Age and finally all but but melted away despite a recharge in the 60s.
AndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 43 Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4964 times:
Having lived in Dubai, I can tell you that rain is definately an event over there. You certainly want to stay away from the left lanes of Sheikh Zayed Road, as the locals in their Land Cruisers still think they can do 150 km/h, and cause numerous accidents when the roads get wet. I doubt it would ever snow in Dubai, but if it did - stay inside!!!
I remember after one rain in 2001, the Gulf News reported that "More of this phenomenon was possible in the coming days" (talking about rain). Gulf News - I hate to tell you this, but rain is really not a phenomenon, it's actually quite well understood!
NumberTwelve From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4926 times:
Newark777: "So much for global warming. "
Maybe your government makes jokes about global warming - but also unusual cold winter in different parts of the world isn't good for us, too.
And your president's "joke" that if weather is getting warmer, A/C has to be turned on earlier, isn't a joke but shows how stupid he is.
What happened in south east asia can happen without a Tsuami but areas will be flooded very easily if the poles begin to melt. So think about areas like the Maledives, Pacific islands etc who don't have any mountains and are just a few meters higher than the sea.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9417 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4326 times:
All these events remind me of the movie "The Day After Tomorrow". Sounds scary. Even though events seen on this movie will probably not be that extreme, the scientists interviewed on the second dvd of the movie do all state the same, that we will see more of these 'rare' events happening worldwide. Like I just said, it sounds scary...
Hope we will all be able to cope with these (extreme) weather changes.
FRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2325 posts, RR: 10 Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4262 times:
I was in the UAE (Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Sharjah, and Al Ain) in April and it was too hot to even think that it could ever snow there. I guess I was wrong. I wonder how the people down there are coping. Most of them probably have never even seen snow in person before.
"Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak."
Planemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 997 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4162 times:
My cousin flew from Abu Dhabi yesterday. The snow was restricted to Ras al-Khaimah and did not affect AUH or DXB -- although he heard about the rain. When I was in Dubai earlier this year, people said it hardly rains there -- less than an inch in most years. I am not sure about ops at Ras al Khaimah airport.
Wasim / Planemannyc
25 IL76TD: You all need to start reading the entire thread before posting, in addition to reading the initial post, it never got below 12 degrees C in dubai, and
26 As739x: Actually guy and gals, you can still be requiered to de-ice at 12C. Here at SFO we had a plane get de-iced on Wednesday when it was 12c. I also could
27 B747FE: Flight ops at Ras Al Khaimah airport are very quiet. Just a couple of flights per day. I guess it was not affected.
28 Yhmfan: If I were in charge of DXB, here are my choices: 1. Run out and spend Millions $$$ on equipment to deal with snow. Maintain them for the next 20-30 ye