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User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10281 times:
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This is just a rumor, please take it with a grain of salt.

Had a YX mechanic brake riding for me the other night, and when we were doe moving the plane we talked about a new rumor that is going around the halls of YX. Apparently there is a memo floating around regarding the possibility of YX contracting out the work that the gate agents, ticket agents, and ramp agents would all do. This included Milwaukee. Also YX is apparently going to fire LSG Skychef, and do their own inhouse catering this spring. Has anyone else heard mention of this rumor? IF YX contracted out all of their frontline employees, then they would be pretty much abandoning a huge portion of the "Best Care in the Air" policy that has governed them for so long. Like I said, this is just hear say from a mechanic and a pilot that work for YX, so we don't know if it is true.


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10095 times:

That's a very interesting rumor, as it would also affect other airlines as well. For example, here @ ATL, YX and F9 share a gate, with the ground handling done by YX rampers. If this happens, I would not be surprised if F9 perhaps hired rampers to handle their flights as well as Midwest's, and F9's agents handled the gate and ticketing for them. That is unless AGI ends up getting the contract (AGI used to handle Frontier, but not too long after Independence Air started up, they started using Midwest. Prior to AGI, AirTran handled Frontier flights, in fact Frontier had a very small staff @ ATL, a few ticketing agents and a station manager.), but I wouldn't be surprised if Delta Global Ground tried to get it (DGG handles all of HP's flights @ ATL).

User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10053 times:

Wouldn't be unusual as the bean counters that run almost all the airlines now would contract out their Mom's if it saved them a buck.....

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12119 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10015 times:
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Filejw

You hit the nail on the head, and also pointed out what is the problem with MOST airlines these days, the bean counters running the show.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9956 times:

As a former bean counter I take offense...LOL...what's better, bean counters running the show or liquidators burying the corpse?

User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9607 times:

The part of YX getting rid of LSG for catering is true. Our Cabin Service department here at AL (Skyway) are taking over that part of the operation, starting in the early Spring. As far as CS/Ramp being contracted out I have not heard about that at all. But the Heavy MX is being outsourced from MKE, to a seperate company.



Sean from MCO and MKE



I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9577 times:
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I was told that YX bought the old Signature building next to the Air Willy hangar, and that they will be opening it up for their catering operation. I thought that the old Signature building was condemned. YX will have to put a lot of money into that old place to bring it up to code. Will it actually be worth it?


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User currently offlineFlyXJT From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 130 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

The catering is 100% true, as for the contracting...

From what I got out of the memo is that the outstations are toast and will all be contracted out. MX is already in the works (155 jobs cut there) and the ramp in MKE is next on the chopping block.

I believe the problem that they are facing with that is there is nobody (ASIG, etc) who could have the manpower to take over the operations in MKE. They are going to try to maintain the gate and ticket counter staff, so they can somewhat maintain the best care in the air idea.

If you ask me the memo sounded rather gloomy and if YX does go CH11 I highly doubt it would be anything long and drawn out like US or UA..it would probably be an over night EA type lockout.


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

How can they out source their ground Ops.???? Or are they going to just contract with another airline to handle their flights for them??
Outsource is the wrong term to use.........

Access-Air



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User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8941 times:

Man I am so glad I got away from that place almost a year ago. YX is in trouble and if they purchased that old Signature building it just goes to show that they aren't making smart business decisions. Most of us in maintenance all saw the outsourcing of the heavy checks coming almost two years ago. See, management at many airlines, not just YX, think their frontline employees, like rampers, mechanics, and groomers, are stupid. They don't understand that these people are the lifeblood of the company and as such, know whats going on and what needs to be changed often times before the upper level folks do. An example, Midwest Express was advised by employees in reservations that they should really consider dropping the 'Express' portion of the name over seven years before they actually did it. They were loosing perspective passengers because most thought that YX was a commuter outfit and didn't want to fly on little planes. After seven years management finally saw it and dropped 'Express'.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8920 times:

How can they out source their ground Ops.???? Or are they going to just contract with another airline to handle their flights for them??

At some airports, an airline may not have enough flights into the airport to justify having a full staff. For example, @ ATL, Frontier, Air Canada, Independence Air, America West, Hooters Air, nearly all passenger charters, and all international airlines all use either a third party handling company (@ ATL, Airport Group International, Delta Global Ground and Evergreen do this. AGI handles IAir, DGG handles HP, and Evergreen handles Vacation Express flights on D) or an have another airline handle the ramp (Air Canada has CO doing their ramp, Hooters Air uses DL, F9 uses YX, and all international airlines ( LH, KE, KL, SA, AM, JM, AF, & BA have their ground ops done by DL (Some have their own gate and ticket agents, others have DL agents that do that for them.).

[Edited 2005-01-02 05:01:22]

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4342 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8877 times:

Makes sense, I heared these scammers of Sky Gourmet and such charge like $ 5 or more per passenger each for even supplying a flight with peanuts and juice. I guess Midwest can organize some nice and yummy food for less $ and remain standing out in its inflight service


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User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8358 times:
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Srbmod,

You make a good point, but MKE is the hub for Midwest. Are there any airlines that have their ramp contracted out at their hub? This is a crappy idea that Tim and the boys in the Cookie Palace are dreaming up. Maybe they should fire his ass and get some new blood into the management of Midwest before they become a page in history.



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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7590 times:

If there is a rumour of Ramp being contracted out then how come there are ramp job openings in LGA/DCA. These are posted at HQ and on the YX website. I don't think that the ramp and CS will be contracted out at all.



Sean from MCO and MKE



I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7212 times:
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Airlines always have jobs posted on the internet. I'm sure that when EA went under they had job openings, the same with Pan Am. I really think that Midwest is going to try to pull this move off. It would save them tons of money that they would have to pay in health benefits to their employees. Midwest is looking to stay afloat any way that they can, and this is one of the steps that they are going to take.....giving it to their employees right in the pooper.


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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6397 times:

this is the wave of the future. we're all heading that way. you can outsource these functions with workers earning 1/3 as much.

and so it goes....



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6148 times:

"Tim and the boys in the Cookie Palace are dreaming up..."

I left YX several years ago, and despite the fact that I have worked at no fewer than 3 airlines since then, I really am glad that I left.

"Cookie Palace" pretty much sums up what does or does not take place in Tim Crooksema's inner sanctum. The "Best Care in the Air" has a track history of screwing their employees. Management has refused to listen to them, and over the past five (5) years some really stupid decisions have evolved.

--Choosing IND as a "focus city". Hah. That lasted all of several months.

--Continuing to commit to OMA as a "hub". That was a loser from the get-go, and should have been discontinued long ago.

--Meanwhile, MCI was putting up big numbers. We heard all the rumors--MD-80 hub, crew base, etc. Never became an "official" hub. Never became an official crew base. The only thing "real" about MCI was the monthly crew hotel costs.

--The Dornier Jet Fiasco. Where do you start?

Recently, the company has gone from screwing its employees to screwing the customer. Instead of right-sizing and sticking to what it does best, YX schizophrenically branded a new product: "saver service" . Hah.

YX is bleeding and NW is waiting in the wings to put a round between the running lights. YX dead in its own back yard: MKE. After that, NW will pull out and MKE will be the RJ capital of Wisconsin. Asta la vista.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17671 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

"the bean counters running the show."

Who would you rather run the show?



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User currently offlineNikonDFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5999 times:

I would really hate to see YX or any airline outsource jobs. YX has some really good people here at DFW, they work the 4 YX 717's and about 10 Air Midwest B1900s a day here, hate to see them leave. But, a few gates down you have half of Salvador working on the ramp at $6:00hr,and we know thats where airline management his headed these days.

User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

Well I hope that YX does well and keeps its peeps. I non-rev'd on them a few months back and it was one of the best experiences I've ever had flying.

I'm taking them to GRR in two weeks and looking forward to it!




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User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Midwest Airlines needs to get rid of this whole 2x2 seating and over staffing the flights with Flight Attendants. This airline seems like it would be a perfect fit for AIRTRAN to merger with. Get rid of the S80's and run a 717/73 service. Airtran will have ATL, MKE, and point to point flying. A perfect east west hub.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5374 times:

Annoyedfa:

Sounds to me like you want to get rid of YX, but why? Midwest has a unique service policy with the 2x2 seating and such. Sure, they're struggling, but what airline isn't right now? (besides the "LCCs").

The thought of YX outsourcing their customer service and rampers is a bit unnerving, but this is most likely just a rumour.

Especially since this came from a YX mechanic, and I do believe that YX is on the verge of outsourcing their maintenance.

Call me hopelessly optimistic, but I think once a few of these other airlines die off, it'll really help the others, YX included.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

The heavy MX outsourcing is all ready happening. The catering will be transferred over from LSG Skychefs to us here at Skyway. That will happen in the spring. Hope that the ramp and CS get to stay. But there are a few disgruntled Mechanics who are losing their jobs here in MKE.


Sean from MCO and MKE



I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineAnnoyedfa From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

I don't want to get rid of any airline. I actually like Midwest alot but it's not working out. They can make money I would think if they offered a Coach and First cabin. Bring back that old signature service in first and I am sure lots of people won't mind flocking to them!


"TWA... One Mission, Yours."
User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 5006 times:

I'd fly them for sure under those circumstances, Annoyedfa. Getting better service and more room, but not having to pay the Legacy's FC fares is a great idea. I'd gladly pay more for more service, if it was offered...


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25 JBo : I would like to see YX go back to the old signature service. Hopefully someday they will when things pick back up. I don't think they wanted to reduce
26 Hz747300 : Bean counters have to run the show. Any organization's primary goal is to make money (profit). There are two ways to do that, bring more money in--top
27 AirTran737 : I heard some YX pilots talking about my original post while on the employee bus tonite. They were saying that they heard that ASIG/Signature would be
28 Ilovenz : Someone a while back suggested standardizing the fleet with Coach/Business config. What about doing this for west-coast flights and flights to Florida
29 JpetekYXMD80 : All have been delayed, and we always had to fly low. Is this because of the MD-80's range? I dont know, but for some reason the MD-80 seems to always
30 Ilovenz : (to JpetekYXMD80) Ok, must just be my memory then.
31 Boeing7E7 : The only outsourcing at Midwest is Heavy Maintenance (new) and under wing at outstations (which has been done in the past, but not on a scale this lar
32 Annoyedfa : The only reason I would say get rid of the 80's of that type of merger would happen is only because the 73 is more efficent.... I love the 80 over a 7
33 AirTran737 : I don't know if we (AirTran) would want a merger with YX. An acquisition in Bankruptcy court would be a better option in my opinion. We had a lot of t
34 Mizzou65201 : I grew up in MKE and still live there about 1/4 of the year. I just don't think YX can make it as essentially a MKE O&D airline--and a primarily east
35 OzarkD9S : YX needs to refocus: the front half: bizclass, back half: saver...screw the mixed fleet crapola.
36 FutureFO : It will stay the same way for a while with the M80's and the 717's. I like the saver service as it gives me a great opportunity to commute. The more s
37 JBo : I believe that Skyway is supposed to get the ERJ-140, at least that's what shows on Embraer's website has having been ordered.
38 FutureFO : We'll only know when they tell us we have to go to recurrent to learn the new a/c. Hopefully we will get something larger than the ERD. Hopefully the
39 Airtran737 : Skyway has been pushing back the EMB order for quite some time. As far as the 328's that are in MYR, Skyway can kiss those goodbye, because from what
40 FutureFO : Aitran737, We have a new class coming in on 15Mar for inflight. We are also looking for people in our outstations. The 328's we all ready have financi
41 FutureFO : To: Midwest Airlines Employees Date: December 28, 2004 From: Tim Hoeksema Subject: 2005 Outlook on Cost Competitiveness The traumatic changes we have
42 BR715-A1-30 : I also hear that before that they have ordered more 717s (exercised some of their options..)
43 Jeb94 : That seems like a standard Hucksterma letter. "Our employees are the best but we're putting them out on the street anyway." Also the classic, "You all
44 AA737-823 : It is my understanding (from the 717 termination thread) that Boeing is set to deliver EIGHT MORE 717s to YX. What on EARTH is Midwest going to do wit
45 Post contains images Mkeflyer717 : I've also wondered what YX is going to do with their next 8 planes. I feel that Midwest should make all their MD-80's saver service and possibly use t
46 Bistro1200 : Additionally, we are studying the need to pay new hires during initial training. --- I can imagine the kind of employees this will bring in! I suppose
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